Great Grandfather died in WW1 im starting to think not

[groom]

Jomot sent me it PM so I'll have to check they don't mind me posting it lol its pretty bad though I'm now really ashamed to be linked to this crazy family   

Why, we can't change what our ancestors did?

[DavyTee68]

I know I was saying it with Tounge in cheek.
I can see why I'm like I am now 

[DavyTee68]

I'm sure Jomot won't mind me posting here's the article
This doesn't help with your search but is definitely William & Martha so I thought you'd be interested.  I didn't post it on the main board as it doesn't add anything to the search:

Durham County Advertiser 05 October 1900
FAMILY FEUD AT HAMSTERLEY COLLIERY
W Turner and his wife Martha Turner were summonsed for assaulting Elizabeth Cowie, an elderly woman, at Hamsterley Colliery on 15th ult.  The male defendant denied the charge, while Mrs Turner pleaded guilty.  Complainant stated that there had been a disturbance in her house, the youngest son ill using his father.  Mrs Turner, who was her married daughter, struck her upon the forehead with a key, whilst the male defendant “shoved” his fist into her face and threatened her.  One of the sons had to eject Turner from the house, and PC Linden was sent for.   Mrs Turner said she struck her mother because the latter first hit her.  The magistrates came to the conclusion that there were faults on both sides, still Mrs Turner had no right to strike her mother.  She would be fined 2s 6d and costs. The male defendant was discharged. 

[groom]

Sounds as if they were quite a volatile family doesn't it? Perhaps all the more reason to suspect that the couple did split up. Still doesn't explain where he was in 1911, unless he did end up in prison and the "died in WW1" story was started to make them seem more respectable.

[DavyTee68]

Sounds as if they were quite a volatile family doesn't it? Perhaps all the more reason to suspect that the couple did split up. Still doesn't explain where he was in 1911, unless he did end up in prison and the "died in WW1" story was started to make them seem more respectable.

That's what I'm thinking and like I said way back my father said lots of black sheep in the Turner family

[DavyTee68]

Possible last sighting?
1908 electoral register
Polling District Hamsterley
Medomsley
William Turner
place of abode 5 Hamsterley Colliery
Dwelling house (successive)
qualifying property 23, School Row, Lintz Colliery
and 5, Hamsterley Colliery.

What is meant by qualifying property as it's a different address ?

[jonw65]

Hi
I think basically what it means is that his previous qualifying address was 23 School Row, Lintz Colliery. He must have recently moved from there to 5 Hamsterley.
It does seem that he disappears shortly after this.

I'd agree that it is very debatable whether Martha was a widow in 1911.
Seemingly the only other possible death registration before then, other than the eliminated Lanchester one, looks to be
Dec 1910, Newcastle upon Tyne, William Turner, age 46
But I'm not recommending it!
John

[DavyTee68]

Hi
I think basically what it means is that his previous qualifying address was 23 School Row, Lintz Colliery. He must have recently moved from there to 5 Hamsterley.
It does seem that he disappears shortly after this.

I'd agree that it is very debatable whether Martha was a widow in 1911.
Seemingly the only other possible death registration before then, other than the eliminated Lanchester one, looks to be
Dec 1910, Newcastle upon Tyne, William Turner, age 46
But I'm not recommending it!
John

School Row is were Martha is in 1911 as well very strange
So looking like 1908 and then he's a gonna somewhere

[iolaus]

This may be a huge leap but there is a William Turner who dies in Durham asylum in Nov 1915, if they were embarassed by this during WW1 it wouldn't be hard to explain away the death by he died in the war.  However he was admitted in Mar 1901 so shouldn't be on the 1901 census at home which is why it's a big leap (although if his wife was treating it as a temporary thing or not admitting to it she may have included him on the census)

also one in durham admitted 1910 died 1919