John Evans

[eileendavid]

Hello John

This is were the 55th foot where and what years according to another post on rootschat.

1813-14 Low Countries
1814-20 England
1820-21 Ireland

I did think there was a wide gap in children from 1815 to 1821 so he could have been in Jersey?  They definitely went to Brighton in fact they marched them all over the country as they didn't know what to do with them but I don't think it mentioned Jersey.

I picked this up off rootschat A Historical Account of the Services of the 34th & 55th Regiments.
http://archive.org/stream/ahistoricalacco01noakgoog#page/n78/mode/2up

Isabella who married John Evans was born in 1796 according to when she died so she would have been 17 if she was indeed Isabella Skelton and London would fit with what John junior said about being born in London but then the 55th moved to Brighton.

So the marriage for that couple must surely not be in Jersey, but in London!
Quote 5 January 1813, at All Hallows Barking
John Evans + Isabella Skelton.
witnessed by Hugh Mitchell, Margaret ?

Could that be  Margartet Smith as in the christening?

Thanks for the info it's good of you to help

Eileen

[eileendavid]

Hello John

I got in touch on rootschat with the armed forces and this is what was posted back

A detachment (part of) the 55th Foot went to Guernsey (not what you asked but near!) in Dec 1816 followed in Jan 1817 by the regiment.  In August 1818 there are newspaper reports of (perhaps elements of) the regiment in Jersey. Can't tell exactly but they seem to have left end 1819.  Source for this  - newspapers reports of the period.

What do you think?  I am getting quite excited that I may be able to put this branch to bed.

I don't know where John Evans enlisted or when but I have found a baptism of an Isabella Skelton in Cumberland.  The regiment was originally from Westmorland and HQ was in Carlisle.

27 December 1795 Isabella Skelton parents Richard Skelton and Jane Hetherington.
BRAMPTON, CUMBERLAND, ENGLAND

Do you think we are on a winner? 

On the Elizabeth front judging by the census of 1841 - 1871 think that she was born between beginning of April and beginning of June.  However maybe they didn't register her with all the trauma of being demobbed and returned to Liverpool in late August.

Thanks so much for your assistance

Eileen

[jonwarrn]

Hi
The pension document says
55th Regt of Foot
Corpl. Jno Evans, born in the parish of Holewell, in the county of Flintshire
enlisted at Plymouth in the county of Devon, 27 May 1807, age 30, for life

Served 14 years 87 days (to 22 August 1821)
5 years 76 days as Private
9 years 11 days as Corporal

Disharged in consequence of a Reduction in the Establishment of the Corps

conduct Very Good
signs his name
Description:
Corporal John Evans
age about 44 years
height about 5 feet 6 inches
Brown hair
Grey eyes
fresh complexion
trade or occupation a Shoemaker
It is dated 22 August 1821, Enniskillen

I can't see any sign of Jane or Margaret in Liverpool though!
Jane Evans in the army births index does say 55th Foot, 1818, Jersey
But no Margaret there, and we have that baptism in St Helier in 1817.

Another problem? John Evans and Isabella Skelton both marked on that marriage.

So, whilst the army John looks good for Liverpool and your Elizabeth, the Skelton marriage may still be up in the air!
John

[eileendavid]

Hello John

Thanks for getting back. 

On the marriage cert both making their mark could he have learned to sign his name in the 55th foot? 

On the matter of children in Liverpool after the baptisms of Thomas 1823, Sarah and James 1827 I have found nothing else.  Maybe Margaret and Jane died, married or went into service prior to 1841 census?  On the 1841 census Elizabeth was married to Robert Forshaw as you know and on the family census there is only Isabella, John jnr, Edward and Mary.

I will investigate further on Margaret and Jane.

Thanks

Eileen

[eileendavid]

Hello John

Just to keep you in the loop.

I think Isabella Skelton who married John Evans in London 1813 was born in Brampton Cumberland in 1796.  The witness at the wedding Hugh Michell (also godparents of Margaruet) I think married Ann Bell in Brampton Cumberland in 1812 (if he was a soldier with John Evans this could put the 55th in Cumberland/Westmorland in 1812)

The marriage probably took place in London as she was a minor (only 17)

I am still looking for Margaret and Jane but by the 1841 census they could have married or they could be in service somewhere.

Thanks for all your help

Eileen

[eileendavid]

I don't know if anyone can help but John Evans joined the 55th foot in Plymouth in 1807 aged 30.

Thanks to rootschat I have his records from 1814 (muster rolls)

He joined in 1807 so any idea where I can find where he was until he met Isabella his wife in Cumberland in 1813/1814

Eileen