Looking for Edith Grace Johnson b. 1919 Ipswich

[avm228]

I mentioned the bomb shelter tragedy back at reply #25 re the Kiff family who are traceable through the years at 63 Royal Terrace, three members of which were killed in the 1940 tragedy.  William Ansell Kiff's name is helpful in finding relevant electoral rolls for the area, as his family were long-settled at that address.

I'd be hesitant, however, to jump to the conclusion that the Kennington Park tragedy directly affected the Johnson family.  Their sojourn at Royal Terrace seems to have been notably short.  James Johnson is connected with the address only by the 1909 military record and the 1910 electoral roll - and no other electoral roll, earlier or later. 

[jonw65]

If that army record of Richard says that brother William's army number was 6310
Then there's one for him too!
Attested 27 Sep 1901, Hampshire Regiment
Age 18
Labourer
Born Newington near London, county of Surrey
Father James William Johnson, 7 Albany ?? St Camberwell London SE
Younger Brother Richard Johnson

[jonw65]

That doesn't tie in age wise though?

[avm228]

That doesn't tie in age wise though?

No, but perhaps this is where we have been going wrong, looking for a William b 1870 Sunderland?

It appears to me that 7 Albany St has been corrected to 7 Olney St.

[louisa maud]

Having tried to find Richard's birth  have come across the following, I have no idea if it is anything to do with your Richard

Richard born 1877 Camberwell
Margaret born 1873  Sunderland
William born 1870 Sunderland
Not found Kate yet

All mother's maiden name BURNS

IS THIS JUST A COINCIDENCE?

Louisa Maud



Is this info completely wrong then?, ages don't seem to tie up

Louisa Maud

[louisa maud]

I know it doesn't bring us nearer to Edith Grace  but
1901 William Johnson, Gunner aged 18  in Sheerness Garrison born Camberwell
REF  RG13/816 FOLIO 81 PAGE 8
So now we aren't sure where he was born
I wonder if father was an absentee father
Louisa Maud

[avm228]

It appears to me that 7 Albany St has been corrected to 7 Olney St.

1901 census for 7 Olney St, Newington

James Johnson Head wid 41 Asphalter b Lambeth
Minnie do Daur 20 Lambeth
William do Son 17 Lambeth
Richard do Son 8 Lambeth
Kathleen do Daur 4 Lambeth (this could be Kate)

[groom]

The Richard born Camberwell 1877 with mother Burn is definitely GS's Richard, as confirmed by his army records which gives his POB and his marriage to Rose Garnham. I think the problem is that his family can't be found in censuses to identify his parents' first names, although we know his father was James, I think.

The thread does seem to have strayed away from GS's original request, so it may be better to wait for her to tell us if she has any of this information already.

[avm228]

The Richard born Camberwell 1877 with mother Burn is definitely GS's Richard, as confirmed by his army records which gives his POB and his marriage to Rose Garnham.

But the Army record linking Richard to Rose Garnham also links him to James, Margaret, William and Kate and (via William's regimental number and record) to 7 Olney St.

The same Army record for Richard has him as aged 18 on enlistment in February 1909, born in Camberwell.  So why 1877? Is that a different soldier?