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Leominster area Baptism for an Albert Tongue or Hart 1869-1871 please
« on: Monday 29 January 18 17:06 GMT (UK) »
I have spent the last 10 years trying to break down this brick wall . I suspect my g grandfather Albert Edward price was actually Albert Tongue - I can find him in the 1871,1881 and 1891 censuses as Albert Tongue living in Leominster with his grandparents Edward and Mary Tongue however I cannot find any birth for him on GRO, Ancestry or Find my past . Any help would be much appreciated - Albert Tongue disappears by 1901 however Albert Edward Price appears . I suspect he is the illegitimate child of James Tongue who married Elizabeth Hart in 1876 and goes on to have 3 children with her . Elizabeth is only 14 and a servant on the 1871 census so she could be the mother or maybe not
Any help with a possible baptism or birth would be really appreciated
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Re: Leominster area Baptism for an Albert Tongue or Hart 1869-1871 please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 29 January 18 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Could you please give details of Albert Edward Price in 1901
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Re: Leominster area Baptism for an Albert Tongue or Hart 1869-1871 please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 29 January 18 18:39 GMT (UK) »
Albert Edward Price born 1871 ? Leominster father on wedding certificate James Price road man - possible father of Albert Tongue James Tongue road man
Occupation
9 Dec 1893 15, Hereford, Road, Leominster, Herefordshire, England
Groom ( not domestic ) from birth certificate of son


1901 54 Dishley Street Leominster, Herefordshire, England
Age: 30; Relation: Head- Bus Driver
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Re: Leominster area Baptism for an Albert Tongue or Hart 1869-1871 please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 January 18 08:57 GMT (UK) »
Who were the wedding witnesses  :-\


1901 54 Dishley Street Leominster, Herefordshire, England
Age: 30; Relation: Head- Bus Driver

Census gives place of birth as Cholstrey, Hereford - Albert Price age 30.
also
Fanny Price 30 bn Afflick, Worcester
William 7
Gertrude 5
Leonard 2
Children bn Leominster
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Re: Leominster area Baptism for an Albert Tongue or Hart 1869-1871 please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 January 18 17:00 GMT (UK) »
Both Ree family sadly her brother and a cousin Richard Edward Ree and Fannie Jane
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Re: Leominster area Baptism for an Albert Tongue or Hart 1869-1871 please
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 31 January 18 15:13 GMT (UK) »
I assume that you have ruled this birth certificate out
Births Sep qtr 1871   
Albert Edward Price mothers maiden name Goode
Leominster    6a   521

Marriage June qtr 1861 
Goode    Sarah       
Price    William       
Leominster reg dist    6a   928

Fathers details on marriage certificates are known to be wrong.
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Re: Leominster area Baptism for an Albert Tongue or Hart 1869-1871 please
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 31 January 18 18:54 GMT (UK) »
yes I have - been to the archives and seen that baptism - mistranscribed as father james but is William the father and does not fit in with later details . Sent off for the birth certificate as well to check but no :( I would have liked that one as it links in to the Scudamore family local gentry  :)
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Re: Leominster area Baptism for an Albert Tongue or Hart 1869-1871 please
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 01 February 18 15:18 GMT (UK) »
I think that if he was Albert Tongue he would be more likely to be the son of any sister of James Tongue rather than James.

I am more inclined with going with the Albert Edward Price son of William/James Price & Sarah Goode.
Marriage certificates are sometimes wrong when fathers name is supplied.  Maybe a DNA test would help  ;D
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Re: Leominster area Baptism for an Albert Tongue or Hart 1869-1871 please
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 February 18 15:35 GMT (UK) »
Albert Tongue the grandson of Edward Tongue in 1871 is aged 1 b Kington (1881: 12 b Kington).

Birth reg should therefore be in Presteigne or Kington reg districts (these were reorganised in 1870).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)