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Army Record - Is it Possible......
« on: Saturday 06 August 05 12:42 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Is it possible to obtain the Army Record for this person without knowing his Army Number. Robert Gamble served in 2nd Life Gds 1824 -1849, shown as a Out Chelsea Pensioner on 1851-1861 census.


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Gamble in Hemsley & York
Kersley In Sheffield & Winchester
Roberts in Llanwrst & Sheffield
Lill in Boston
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Re: Army Record - Is it Possible......
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 August 05 03:06 BST (UK) »




Hi Trevor
what a great picture you have of the stone!
I'm sure somebody will be able to give you some kind of answer soon
Hang in there!!

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Re: Army Record - Is it Possible......
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 August 05 06:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Trevor

Army records are at the National Archives, Kew, London.  The discharge records for this period have been indexed:

Robert GAMBLE born Helmsley, Yorkshire served 2nd Life Guards 1825-1849, aged 45 at discharge - ref: WO 97/4/64

Browsing the British Army research leaflets will give you some idea of what else may be available but the discharge papers are the easy bit!

http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/researchguidesindex.asp

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 August 05 08:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Trevor,  how nice you have the grave photo, as  Annie said. Did you always have that or is it a recent find? I also have a 2nd Life Guards soldier I am researching,  who probably knew your ancestor.  Mine is:  John Brindley, born 1792 in Staffs. He served for 25 years, leaving with ill health in  1841 . He died in 1855. in Kensington.

I did get his records;  attested 20th July 1815 at Newcastle under Lyme,  and discharge by Regimental Board, Capt.( LD?) Williams was the president of the board, at Regent's Park Barracks,  describing his ill health and physical appearance which was interesting. 5ft 11" brown hair, grey eyes and fair complexion.

He was number 50.  a Private.  He served all his time in England. His conduct and character was "very good" and he had received three 'distinguishing marks'?   It would be interesting to know more about this regiment at this time.
General The Earl Cathcart was Colonel.

 I wonder what the procedure was to enlist soldiers at that time? Did they travel the country holding 'information sessions'?
On the photocopies I received, some of the handwriting was hard to read which is frustrating  but it was wonderful to be able to read the records.

I was disappointed to find no mention of his family. ie. he was married twice. His first wife died in the 1820's he had two or three children of this marriage, and he remarried in 1839 and had a daughter. I  do not know the name of his first wife. There was no mention of 'next of kin.'

He was also described  as a 'Chelsea Penshioner' on a later document, Probably 'an 'Out' as he was with his family when he died.
 Was your ancestor buried in London or was he buried in his  home area?
 Does anyone know,  were  most of the Chelsea Penshioners  buried close by to the hospital/barracks?, was there a special graveyard for them? I would like to find John's grave .
Boyle, Co. Leitrim  Boyle, Co. Tyrone, Shaughnessy, Co. Limerick, and  Manchester, UK.  Pope, Cheshire. Chadwick, Speke, Lancs.  Frankish, Hunmanby, Yorks.  Brindley, Audley, Staffs and  Middlesex.


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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 August 05 08:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Griz

The following may help with burials of Chelsea Pensioners but whether it was reserved for "in pensioners" or applied to both "in & out pensioners" ???

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Chelsea also contained burial grounds reserved for particular groups. The Royal Hospital’s burial ground, just north-east of the Hospital buildings, was first used in 1692; it closed in 1855 under the 1852 Act, and the Hospital used a plot in Brompton cemetery until 1893, when it began using Brookwood cemetery (Woking, Surrey).240

http://www.middlesexpast.net/clocgov2.html

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Re: Army Record - Is it Possible......
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 07 August 05 12:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie, Casaiguidi, Griz,

Thanks for your replies.

Griz, I took the photo in the main cemetery in York, the person mentioned above Robert , Jane was his sister who he lived with in York.


Trevor
Ethell in Yorkshire & Kent
Gamble in Hemsley & York
Kersley In Sheffield & Winchester
Roberts in Llanwrst & Sheffield
Lill in Boston
Wake in Yorkshire

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 August 05 02:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Trevor,
              Thanks for that information  about the place of burial of your ancestor.  I will keep looking for mine  :)

Thankyou, Casalguidi, for that very helpful  material about the burials of the Chelsea Pensioners. Just my luck! they closed the cemetery  the very year John died! ( the 1692 - 1855 one) so I will have to try to pin down the dates and see if he might be in the  the older one, or the Brompton one. That is also,  if 'out' pensioners were considered the same as resident ones. I have a feeling they were,  as after all,  they had given considerable service to their country.
Boyle, Co. Leitrim  Boyle, Co. Tyrone, Shaughnessy, Co. Limerick, and  Manchester, UK.  Pope, Cheshire. Chadwick, Speke, Lancs.  Frankish, Hunmanby, Yorks.  Brindley, Audley, Staffs and  Middlesex.

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 August 05 02:53 BST (UK) »


Hi!

here's a site that might help guide you in the right direction!!

http://www.1914-1918.net/grandad/grandad.htm

Annie
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss

Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I