Wedding Details - James Powell & Esther Mayberry 1804

[Real Lee History]

Have been working on Family Tree over the past year and have now reached the stage where information is becoming sketchy.

Have taken my Maternal Grandfathers line (Powell) back to James Powell (1777-1829) but cannot locate either Birth Certificate details or view a Marriage Certificate (1804) to locate James' parents details.

Online searches confirm Wedding:

23 October 1804
Chapel Hill, Monmouthshire 
Bride: Esther Mayberry (Born 1782)


James' Birth:
1777
Newton, Montgomeryshire.

Whilst online searches can witness the dates of marriage the info typed doesn't quote grooms parents - just the bride/groom.

I have located Esthers parents as Edward Mayberry (1758) & I believe Mary (1762)

If someone has local access to the Gwent Record Offices Microfilm - I am wondering if a full certificate would show?. It may be no more is available on the wedding certificate so would equally welcome help/advice on how to witness James Birth Cert with the details I seek?

First post so if wrong place or incorrect in any way please advise.

Thanks

[Brentor boy]

Certificates were not issued until 1837. Parish registers often only contained the names of bride and groom. The entry on Free Reg shows no witnesses,  so probably none recorded in this case. Names of parents only appear if they were one of the witnesses.

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat

Marriages did not note fathers names/occupations until the start of registration in 1837.  The marriage transcript has them both of the parish of Chapel Hill and James occupation as Forgeman.  Where do you have his place of birth as Newton, Montgomeryshire   

Rosie

[osprey]

James Powell aged 40 was buried 10 June 1824 in Chapel Hill, just a couple of weeks after the burial of his wife. Age at burial doesn't match that baptism apart from it being some distance away in Montgomeryshire.

I suspect that the baptism of a James Powell 30 November 1783 in neighbouring parish Newchurch is rather more likely. That James was the son of Thomas & Mary of Kilgwrrwg. James & Esther had children called Thomas & Mary.

[Real Lee History]

Certificates were not issued until 1837. Parish registers often only contained the names of bride and groom. The entry on Free Reg shows no witnesses,  so probably none recorded in this case. Names of parents only appear if they were one of the witnesses.

Thank you - that will explain why connected searches are getting harder . Most of my family tree lines are around or past 1837 so it looks like i'll go nowhere fast  

[Real Lee History]

Welcome to rootschat

Marriages did not note fathers names/occupations until the start of registration in 1837.  The marriage transcript has them both of the parish of Chapel Hill and James occupation as Forgeman.  Where do you have his place of birth as Newton, Montgomeryshire   

Rosie

Thank you for the welcome & info. I have today learnt the key date of 1837. James and his children all seem to have their roots (no pun intended) in the Monmouthshire/Bristol area with many of his children being born and dying in area. Chapel Hill I suspect was more the 'Mayberry' originate with James being 'drawn in' through marriage.

Locate James Baptism citation which indicates Montgomeryshire

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KC1L-45R

Most of my 1700's finding show that most were baptised quickly after birth, so assumed that Baptism records would likely indicate birthplace?

[Real Lee History]

James Powell aged 40 was buried 10 June 1824 in Chapel Hill, just a couple of weeks after the burial of his wife. Age at burial doesn't match that baptism apart from it being some distance away in Montgomeryshire.

I suspect that the baptism of a James Powell 30 November 1783 in neighbouring parish Newchurch is rather more likely. That James was the son of Thomas & Mary of Kilgwrrwg. James & Esther had children called Thomas & Mary.

Thank you Osprey. I have James' burial citation 08 Feb 1829:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KC1P-3RX

At the moment I have Esther as died 1824 with last child 'William' being born 1823/24 so that fits with your outline.

Certainly have children Thomas (1807) & Mary (1809) as 2 of 9 children I believe all Chapel Hill, Monmouthshire re Christening records..

[rosie99]

Sorry, my question 'Where do you have his place of birth as Newton, Montgomeryshire'  -  I meant where on the records of James Powell who was in Chapel Hill did it indicate he was born in Montgomeryshire.  As Osprey has indicated it is more likely to be James who was living in a neighbouring parish, unless of course you have evidence to the contrary.

[osprey]

I've checked the Chapel Hill registers & there would appear to be only James Powell around at that time, so who would that burial be in 1824 other than the husband of Esther?

I don't understand why with this family in Chapel Hill, Monmouthshire you are looking at records from Montgomeryshire, about 90 miles away or so.