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Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 04 August 18 14:24 BST (UK) »
"Got some more credits, and some more confusion.

Elizabeth Isabella Morrison born in 1856, in Anderston, Glasgow
This one is the most solid for proof so far in terms of her children.

Was there an actual address given on the BC, if so, does the address tie in with any other docs?
Do you have any other info. on Isaac?
was there an actual address on Isaac's BC, if so, does it tie in with any other docs?

1865 - Eleanor "illegitimate" on her birth certificate
1868 Isaac his birth certicate has the message about the missing husband


What address is on Eleanor's BC? Does it tie in with any other docs?

Just trying to get to the bottom of this (not easy)!  ::)

Annie

Isabella (jnr) info from birth record
Morrison Elizabeth Isabella, 19-4-1856 1? am?, address is almost unreadable - 52 ? ? ? Street, Anderston, Glasgow (attached pic), father Colin Morrison ?Steward In Vessel?, mother Isabella Morrison maiden name Morrison, informant Colin Morrison father present


Isaac info from birth record
Isaac Gibson Morrison (or Morrison)
10-2-1868 5h ?m ?16, Buccleuch Street Edinburgh, ..message about father.., Isabella Morrison mother, Reg. 2-3-1868 at Edinburgh
He is on the 1871 and 1881 censuses, with Isabella (Snr) but nothing after that.

Eleanor info from birth record
Eleanor Morrison (Illegitimate) 13-9-1865 7h 5m ? ?  Buccleach Street (father) Isabella Morrison Dressmaker, (mother) Isabella Morrison mother, reg. 23-10-1865 at Edinburgh
She is on the 1871 and 1881 censuses, with Isabella (Snr)
Tenuous possible marriage 1886 Eleanor Westwood to Alexander Wylie mother Isabella Westwood MS Morrison (deceased) if so then she is also in the 1891 and 1901 censuses

Buccleach Street is the address on the 1861 census where Isabella (snr) is living with Donald (7) and Isabella (jnr) (5)

Isabella (snr) is a Dressmaker on Eleanor's birth record, and on the marriage of he spinster Isabella to William Churchill.

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Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 04 August 18 21:02 BST (UK) »
Not sure if it helps in the way that is needed, but the address for the birth looks to be 52 Stobcross Street, Andeston.

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Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 04 August 18 21:21 BST (UK) »
My head hurts  ;)

"Tenuous possible marriage 1886 Eleanor Westwood to Alexander Wylie mother Isabella Westwood MS Morrison (deceased) if so then she is also in the 1891 and 1901 censuses"

I wonder if 'Westwood' is an indication to her father's surname?
Would be good to find a Westwood on a census in same area Isabella was.

I do find it strange for Isabella to marry as a Spinster rather than a Widow.

Isaac has an entry on 'Fancestry' as Isaac Gibson Morrison 10/02/1868 Edinburgh

This is a strange jigsaw, the pieces appear to fit but the pattern doesn't  ::)

Annie

Monica, got alert, thanks!
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Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 04 August 18 21:28 BST (UK) »
"Buccleach Street is the address on the 1861 census where Isabella (snr) is living with Donald (7) and Isabella (jnr) (5)"

I think you really need the original to find out what status was declared for Isabella?

Annie
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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 04 August 18 21:46 BST (UK) »
From what has been discussed, not sure if the death cert in Edinburgh for an Isabella Morrison/Churchill in the St Giles district of Edinburgh has been checked? This Isabella showed as aged 46.

Monica

ADDED: Apologies, Rob. See now that you have this 1881 death entry.
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Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 04 August 18 21:55 BST (UK) »
Yes Monica, it has been confirmed on Reply #16...

"Isabella (snr) died 24-4-1881 as Isabella Churchill "married to Colin Morrison(Baker) 2nd to William Churchill Wireworker" at New Royal Infirmary Edinburgh, witnessed by Donald Morrison (Son)."

There's so many twists & turns! Colin Morrison as Steward to Baker to Seaman i.e. I don't think there will be a DC for him if his body was never recovered.

We don't know if Isabella was in fact a widow by 1861 but if she was, why marry as a spinster?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 04 August 18 21:59 BST (UK) »
Isabella is recorded as ‘married’ on the 1861 census. She was a Hat Trimmer, born in Edinburgh. The address is Buccleuch Pend, Buccleuch Street, Edinburgh ( info from Findmypast).
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Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 04 August 18 22:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks Isobel!

Looks like Colin may have died between 1861 & 1868 as he had been out of Scotland for 4 yrs by the time of Isaacs birth 1868 although we don't really know if he was deceased or just didn't come back for some reason?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Decipher description from Scottish birth certificate
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 04 August 18 22:22 BST (UK) »
I wonder if there's any mention in a newspaper of the disappearance of Colin?

Maybe the fact Isabella married as a Spinster, she couldn't afford all the rigmarole of having him being declared dead to enable her to remarry  :-\

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"