Elizabeth Parry

[Mary Jane Craig]

Hi,

I'm not sure if I'm in the right place with my question so please let me know.

I'm researching my paternal grandmother's line who came from Gloucester.  She was Mary Eleanor Wheeler born Aug 1901 in Monmouthshire. He mother was Elizabeth Sarah Parry born 1875 in Gloucester and her father was George Francis Wheeler born 1875 in Newham, Gloucester. I've just ordered Elizabeth Sarah's birth record as I don't know who her parents were but during my research I cam across something very interesting. George Francis Wheeler was the son of John Wheeler born 1849 in Wiltshire and his mother was Mary Ann Simmonds born about 1849 in Woolaston Gloucester.
Mary ann's mother was Eliza Simmonds and the father on her marriage record was Isaac Watkins. I think I found a record that says Eliz's mother was Elizabeth Parry born 1789 in Gloucester and I'm wondering if she was related to my great grandmother Elizabeth Sarah Parry or is it just a coincidence ?

That whole line is very odd because I think Isaac Watkins may have marry Elizabeth Parry and then her daughter !!
 
Could someone help please as my head is spinning with its all.

Thanks

[lizdb]

If Mary Ann Simmonds was illegitimate then she may have named a grandfather on her marriage.

That was my initial thought, but to find out more it needs some careful research. My head was also spinning after reading it, so would need to work through it step by step, confirming each step from as many angles as possible, to work out who is who and what happened.

People tended to choose names for their childen from a very limited range, so there are likely to be numerous people with the same names in the same area, so I wouldnt immediately leap to any conclusion that two ladies with the same name are the same person.

[Mary Jane Craig]

Thanks so much. I don't think Elizabeth Parry  and Elizabeth Sarah Parry are the same personas they were born at different times. I was wondering if there was a family link but as you say, names are very common and there are probably lots of Parrys in that area.

[Capetown]

If you haven't done so already, suggest you join  (just  have to register)

Forest of Dean Family History Trust

http://www.forest-of-dean.net


? Do you have this transcript entry

Baptism at Newnham

6 October 1901

Parents Surname: WHEELER

Child Forenames: Mary Eleanor

Father's Forename: George Francis

Mother's Forenames: Elizabeth

residence: 17 S Mary St Whittand, Carmarthenshire

Occupation: Examiner

Officating Minister: W Gordon BAILLIE - Vicar


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And on the 23 July 1911 - is this record

George Francis WHEELER and Elizabeth Sarah WHEELER

had a daughter: Lilian Betty Martha WHEELER

christened at Newnham

residence: Exeter

Occupation: Railway Carriage Examiner

[osprey]

1911 on FamilySearch shows Mary's birth as Whitland, Carmarthenshire and it was registered at Narberth, so correct for Whitland. Certainly not Monmouthshire.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW93-Z71

Mary Eleanor Wheeler dec qtr 1901 Narberth vol 11a pg 1157 mmn Parry

[Capetown]

Both on the 1901 and 1911 census, Elizabeth states she was born in Yorkley, Gloucestershire

1901, Carmarthenshire, Llangan

George WHEELER - 26 Train Examiner, born Newnham
Elizabeth WHEELER - 24 - born Yorkley, Gloucestershire (which is covered by the Forest of Dean)

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?  This is the 1881 Census, for West Dean District 13

PARRY

Mary - Widow - aged 52 born Awre
William - 20 - born West Dean
James - 17 - born East Dean
Fanny - 14
Mary - 11
Elizabeth - 6

(which includes Yorkley Slade)

[osprey]

possible birth reg
Elizabeth Sarah Parry march qtr 1875 Monmouth vol 11a pg 28 mother's maiden name blank

There's a possible Elizabeth S Parry in 1891 14 year old servant born Blakeney working in Hempstead RG12/2015 folio 67 pg 32

Possible for Mary in 1861
Viney Well, West Dean RG9/3981 folio 65 pg 15
William Webb head unm 40 cordwainer b. E Dean
Mary Parry housekeeper unm 29 b. Awre
Charlotte dau 1 b. E Dean
William E son 1 month b. W Dean

[osprey]

1871 Yorkley, Newland RG10/5298 folio 124 pg 14
William Webb head mar 53 shoemaker
Mary wife 43
William son 10
James son 6
Fanny dau 4
Mary dau 1 b. Yorkley
all born Blakeney apart from young Mary. No sign of a marriage between William Webb & Mary Parry.


 

[Capetown]

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Forest of Dean records

Burial at Parish Chapel: Awre (which covers Blakeney etc)

5 November 1872

William WEBB

residence: Westbury Union

Age at death: 52
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Baptism at Blakeney : 29 January 1832

Mary PARRY : parents: William (labourer)  & Esther, residence: Etloe

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1841 census, Newnham, Viney Hill

Robert HYETT - 75 Labourer - all born in County
PARRY's
William - 50 Sawyer
Ether - 40  **
George 15, William 15, Charles 14, Thomas 12, Mary 9, Ann 6, Edmond 4 and John 1


** there is a burial at Lydney, 9 March 1880, of Esther PARRY aged 81, residence: Yorkley


1871 Census, Awre, Viney Hill,

Esther PARRY aged 72, Widow, Charwoman, born Awre
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Looking at the GRO Index for Fanny PARRY - 1867

J Qtr Monmouth, 11A page 22 (again a dash for mother's maiden name)