Will of Roger Aylmer 1497

[WillowG]

In our search through Aylmer wills we have now reached the one of Roger Aylmer of 1497

It is my hope that it may throw some light as to how the following are related:

Edmund Aylmer and his wife Elizabeth Tyrrell, parents of Frances (d. 1540) and Anne.

We have Thomas and Robert Aylmer, gentlemen, sons of ? Aylmer and his wife Elizabeth de Wood, sister of John at Wood, whose widow was Margaret.

We do have a Thomas Aylmer who married a Rose Jenney (b.1474). It is probable that he was the son of a Roger Aylmer. Could it be Roger Aylmer who married Elizabeth de Wood and was father of the above?

Robert Aylmer's son Alexander married Anne. Alexander was the father of William, Frances - who married Christopher Thetford, Bridget - who married Stephen Rookwood, Elizabeth, Honour, Ursula and Mary.

Frances Aylmer the Elder mentions the child Frances Aylmer the Younger in her will of 1540 and refers to her as 'cousin'.

There is great overlap in the social circles of Frances Aylmer the Elder and Bishop John Aylmer, the tutor of Lady Jane Grey.

Edmund Aylmer, Roger Aylmer and Thomas Aylmer are mentioned together in about 1486 - Brothers?
'Plaintiffs: Edmund Aylmer, esquire. Defendants: William Paston. Subject: Detention of bonds between Roger and Thomas Aylmer and complainant of the one party, and Harry Straunge, Thomas Drury, and John Sharnburgh, of the other.'
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7452975

Laurence Ailmer, John Ailmer and Thomas Ailmer are mentioned together in 1488 - Brothers?
'1488 [...] 4 Henry VII County of Essex [...] 33. Mich. Laurence Ailmer, John Ailmer, Thomas Ailmer, John Barley, Robert Godewyn and William Hampton, pl. Richard Pake and Elizabeth his wife, def. 1 messuage, 24 acres of land, 3 acres of meadow and 18d. rent in Eisonham. Def. quitclaimed to pl. and the heirs of Laurence. Warranty as in 10. Cons. 201.'
http://esah1852.org.uk/images/pdf/ffines/F1400000.pdf

We know that Sir Laurence Aylmer's father was Thomas Aylmer of Ellesnam/Allesham/Elsham in Essex, and that Sir Laurence also had a brother named Thomas Aylmer, gentleman. Could Sir Laurence have been a nephew of Roger Aylmer, and had a brother named John?

Bishop John Aylmer's father is said to have been called John.

We also have another John Aylmer, who is mentioned in the will of his uncle Thomas Aylmer of Norwich in 1500.

Could either of these two John Aylmers be the father of the bishop?

I am hoping that this will might give the answer to some of the questions above

The full will can be found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C39Z-SSTC-F?i=591&cat=278818

Thank you so much in advance!

[philipsearching]

Frances Aylmer the Elder mentions the child Frances Aylmer the Younger in her will of 1540 and refers to her as 'cousin'.

Just to clarify: the term cousin shows kinship, but (like today) it doesn't in itself describe how close the family connection was (it could include third cousin, second cousin once removed etc.)

Literary trivia: in Shakespeare's historical plays a Royal could refer to a noble or a foreign royal as "cousin", but it might take a genealogical genius to figure out if there was a link through blood or marriage.

Philip

[goldie61]

At the right hand side:

Testm Rogeri
Aylemer arm
geri defunct


In the name of god Amen I Roger Aylemer Squyer the vijth day
of Octobre in the yere of our lord god a m^l iiii lxxxxij at Norwich make my(ne)
testament & last wyll in forme ensuying first I commende my(ne) sowle to god
allmyghty our blyssed lady seint mary vuygyn & to all the holy seintes And my(ne)
Body to be burye w(i)t(h)in the p(er)ymite halowed of the place of the fryers minors

in Norwich And to the hygh Awter of the churche of seint Stephyn in Nor
wich I beqweth vj s viij d And to the emendyng of the same churche I beqweth
vj s viij d And to the hygh Awt(er) of the churche of seint margaret of ?ynetys
hale I beqweth xiij s iiij d And to the hygh Awter of the churche of Catyngton
in Nuff I beqweth vj s viijd Itm I beqweth to the warden and covent of the
fryers mynors in Nor(wich) that is to say to the emendyng of the bokys & vestimentes
xl s & vj s viij d also to the same fryers for a pytannce (?) And I wull that
iche of the iiij fryers that shall bere my body to the churche of the said fryers



Funny how things crop up isn't it Willow?
I started reading a book yesterday - a novel set in about 1592 - and all of a sudden I read a sentence which mentioned 'Bishop Aylmer'!
I thought, I know that name!
He was evidently (according to the authour of the book - who seems to have done his homework on this time period very thoroughly), ' a fiercely Protestant ' Bishop, who wanted to 'ensure no Roman Catholic teachings' found their way into a school curriculum - and was all for corporal punishment to make sure it didn't!
How different to the Aylmer of this will, a hundred years earlier, who was obviously a devout Catholic.
I'll let you know if he crops up again and what deductions the writer has made about him! 

[horselydown86]

A few suggestions for Snippet #1:

In the margin, it is armi / geri = armigeri (genitive singular of armiger = esquire).

Technically, I also think the next word is contracted and should be read as defunct(i).

In the date, the middle grouping is cccc = 4 x 100.

...seint mary virgyn...    It's the same r as in buryed on the next line.

In the last line, I believe the word is written p(ro)cymcte and means precinct.

[horselydown86]

A few suggestions for Snippet #2:

I think it is:  ...seint margaret of Tyvetyshale...

Also, the next church mentioned is in Suff ie Suffolk.

ADDED:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivetshall_St_Margaret

[WillowG]

Thank you so much, Goldie and HD!!! Brilliant work, as always!

At the right hand side:

Testm Rogeri
Aylemer arm
geri defunct


In the name of god Amen I Roger Aylemer Squyer the vijth day
of Octobre in the yere of our lord god a m^l iiii lxxxxij at Norwich make my(ne)
testament & last wyll in forme ensuying first I commende my(ne) sowle to god
allmyghty our blyssed lady seint mary vuygyn & to all the holy seintes And my(ne)
Body to be burye w(i)t(h)in the p(er)ymite halowed of the place of the fryers minors

in Norwich And to the hygh Awter of the churche of seint Stephyn in Nor
wich I beqweth vj s viij d And to the emendyng of the same churche I beqweth
vj s viij d And to the hygh Awt(er) of the churche of seint margaret of ?ynetys
hale I beqweth xiij s iiij d And to the hygh Awter of the churche of Catyngton
in Nuff I beqweth vj s viijd Itm I beqweth to the warden and covent of the
fryers mynors in Nor(wich) that is to say to the emendyng of the bokys & vestimentes
xl s & vj s viij d also to the same fryers for a pytannce (?) And I wull that
iche of the iiij fryers that shall bere my body to the churche of the said fryers



Funny how things crop up isn't it Willow?
I started reading a book yesterday - a novel set in about 1592 - and all of a sudden I read a sentence which mentioned 'Bishop Aylmer'!
I thought, I know that name!
He was evidently (according to the authour of the book - who seems to have done his homework on this time period very thoroughly), ' a fiercely Protestant ' Bishop, who wanted to 'ensure no Roman Catholic teachings' found their way into a school curriculum - and was all for corporal punishment to make sure it didn't!

Yes, *coughs*, apparently he wasn't that nice of a bishop

I sort of had this nice picture in my head *g*
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss58/SonjaMarie77/life/arthurmee-lady-jane-grey.jpg

His later behaviour and beliefs were, eh, somewhat of a surprise

Isn't that so funny though, when you come over a familiar name, and are like, 'Hey! I know that guy!' because of things like this?

That has happened to me too!

How different to the Aylmer of this will, a hundred years earlier, who was obviously a devout Catholic.

Isn't that strange? Life makes fools of us all ... (Or at least of these guys *g*) Life and history really are peculiar things, aren't they?

I'll let you know if he crops up again and what deductions the writer has made about him! 

Please do!!! What a funny coincidence!

churche of Catyngton

Compare with this snippet from the will of Alexander Aylmer 52 years later in 1549:

Also I give to will(ia)m my sonne and heyre my mansion howse at Catington with all the Landes woodes medowes pasturs with thappurtun(an)ces that was my fathers Robt Aylemers

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=800382.9

A few suggestions for Snippet #2:

I think it is:  ...seint margaret of Tyvetyshale...

Also, the next church mentioned is in Suff ie Suffolk.

ADDED:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivetshall_St_Margaret

Compare again with this line in the snippet from the will of Alexander Aylmer 52 years later in 1549:

Itm I wull that Anne my wyff shall have all my landes and Ten(emen)ts lying in Tyvetshale Saint Margaret in the cowntie of Norff -

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=800382.0

I think definitely we are talking about the same family!

Thank you so much again!!! This is utterly wonderful! I am so grateful!

[WillowG]

Frances Aylmer the Elder mentions the child Frances Aylmer the Younger in her will of 1540 and refers to her as 'cousin'.

Just to clarify: the term cousin shows kinship, but (like today) it doesn't in itself describe how close the family connection was (it could include third cousin, second cousin once removed etc.)

Literary trivia: in Shakespeare's historical plays a Royal could refer to a noble or a foreign royal as "cousin", but it might take a genealogical genius to figure out if there was a link through blood or marriage.

Philip

LOL, yes, I will keep that in mind Thank you! I was once driven almost to distraction by someone who was described as a 'nephew' in the census. The head of the household had no siblings, and a nephew of his (late) wife was a no-go as well. As it turned out, it was an archaic use of the word nephew meaning 'grandson'

I think that it what lead me to this site in the first place, lololol!

[horselydown86]

Snippet #3:

...mino(r)s have for hys labo(r) xxd It(e)m I beqweth to y^e rep(ar)ac(i)on & amendyng of

y^e chirche of y^e seid freeres and to pray for m(e)y sowle & to sey a solemp(n)e

dirige and a masse of Requiem yerly in yer p(a)lace be y^e space of iiij

yeres next aft(er) m(e)y decesse for m(e)y sowle & m(e)y frendes sowlys viij li

to be payed to y^e seid ffryeres and Covent of y^e same place as it may

be receyved & take of y^e sale of m(e)y place y^t I dwell in in Norwich in y^e

parysshe of seint Stephyn It(e)m I beqweth to iche of y^e oder iij orderes of

ffryeres in Norwich to pray for mey sowle vjs viijd It(e)m to y^e pryores of

Carrowe iij s iiij d And to ev(er)y Nunne of y^e same place xijd It(e)m I will

y^t ffryer John ffyssher of y^e seide Covent of y^e fryeres myno(r)s be...


yer = their

[horselydown86]

Snippet #4:

...m(e)y prest & synge & pray for my sowle be y^e space of an hooll yer(e)

next aft(er) m(e)y decesse And in y^e same yer(e) by licence of hys warden I wull

he go on pylgrymage for me to y^e Courte of Rome And yer go y^e stac(i)ons

of Rome and dayly whyll he is ther(e) & disposed I wull y^t oon day he saye

a masse for my sowle at Scala celi And anoder at seintes ffabyan and

Bastyan And I wull he have for hys labo(r) & salary xiij m(a)rc(es) to be

payde to hym in fourme folowyng y^t ys to sey when he go(e)th forth x m(a)rc(es)

And when he comyth home xl s And yf y^e seide ffrere John after

m(e)y decesse may not go & do y^e seide pylgrimage and syng & pray as is

aforseid or ellys yf hys warden wyll nat licence hym to doit

I wull y^t yen anod(er) honest preste be p(ur)veid be m(e)y executors to doit...


yen = then