Looking for Henry Hopping from Devonport

[sueappleton]

My great great grandfather was born, according to his obituary,  in about 1828-1831 in Devonport, Plymouth, Devon. (His age seems to have decreased by about 2 or 3 years at the time of his second marriage to a woman 20 years younger!) He first shows up in a record in South Australia in 1854. I cannot find him on any passenger list arriving in Australia, despite extensive searches. There is a Henry Hopping born in Devonport who is recorded on the 1851 UK census as a Shipwright.  This man's parents are John and Elizabeth (Frood).  There is also a record of a Henry Hopping from Devonport being in the Merchant Navy sometime between 1852 and 1854. It is tempting to think that he may have jumped ship in Australia, but there is no actual evidence for that.  (However it was at the time of the gold rush in Victoria!)

I have only circumstantial evidence to tie these two Henrys together. His family in South Australia believe that he arrived here in 1847, which is contradicted by the fact that he appears in the UK census of 1851. There are other men named Henry Hopping in Devon at around about the right time, but none of them fits as well. 

If anyone can shed any light on this I would be exceedingly grateful.

 

[trish1120]

Welcome to Rootschat sue.

Is this the Henry you are interested in?

HOPPING Henry, Catherine MCINNES married 1856-02-29 at Church of Scotland Manse, Ade, aged 27, 22

HOPPING Henry, Kate MCINNES, parents of child born 1856-12-24 named Marion at Pt Gawler

HOPPING John, Rosetta (wife) arrived in SA by 1849

HOPPING John, Rosetta LOYD, parents of child born 1849-04-28 named Agnes at Nth Adelaide

Trish

[sueappleton]

Hi Trish!
Thanks for your reply.
Yes that is him! To make matters.more complicated, both his wives were named Catherine McInnes! The first one, known as Kate or Katrine, died in 1881 and he married again in 1882.
However the John Hopping you mention is a mystery. I have not been able to find out much more about him than you have mentioned. He is not the John Hopping from Devon who was the brother of "Henry", as he was in England for the 1851 Census.
Regards, Sue.

[trish1120]

Yes he is a bit of an enigma;

Do you have the actual 1882 M/C?

Name:   Henry Hopping
Father's name:   JOHN Hopping****
Spouse Name:   Catherine Mcinnes
Spouse's Father's Name:   Alexander Mcinnes
Marriage Date:   06 Dec 1882
Marriage Place:   Res Of John Dixon Caltowie
Registration Place:   Clare, South Australia
Page Number:   1004
Volume Number: 133

Rosetta Loyd/Lloyd sounds Irish/Scottish to me.

[sueappleton]

Yes I have that info about the second marriage, thank you!  The fact that his father's name is given as John is one of the pieces of evidence that might connect this Henry to the one in Devonport.

Good point about Rosetta. I haven't researched this couple for quite a long time, I probably should give it another go.

[wivenhoe]

Anglican Parish Records, Sydney  (Ancestry)

19 Feb 1889 Church of St James  Minister Samuel FOX

Schoolroom of St James Croydon
Groom: John HOPPING, widower, born Devon England, Public Servant, 65 years
residence Menangle
Father: John HOPPING, merchant
Mother: Agnes WAKEHAM

Bride:Margaret Nelson BLACK, spinster, born St Andrews Scotland, 25 years
residence Croydon
Father: John BLACK carpenter
Mother: Christina EWEN

Witnesses: George WALTERS, Agnes BAKER

[rosie99]

Following on from last post
Marriage
Agnes Wakeham
John (Jnr) Hopping
12 Dec 1820
St Sidwell, Exeter, Devon

ADDED
Baptism at same church 15 Apr 1825
John Hopping - parents John and Agnes - fathers occ Brickmaker

[MonicaL]

There looks to also be another sister, Agnes Susan Hopping born 1827 in St Sidwell, Exeter, Devon.

She married in 1852 in Devon and not long after with husband Francis Baker, they headed off to Victoria and then Sydney to have their children.

That 1852 marriage back in Devon shows her father as John, brickmaker too.

Added: An Agnes Baker was one of the witnesses to the marriage in 1889 of John Hopping and Margaret Nelson Black (likely John's sister from what we have?).

Monica

[MonicaL]

Possible entry for this Agnes with her mother in 1851 in Exeter St Leonard:

Agnes Hopping 65 widowed, proprieter of houses b. Kingsbridge, Devon
Agnes Susan Hopping 24 mercer/draper's shop assistant b. Exeter
Maria Baily 17 sevant

How to connect brother and sister to your Henry...if there is any connection 

Monica