Trying to trace Charles William Chapman born approx 1880 lived in Croydon

[Dundee]

Well - this fits, in some areas

 1901 - 73 Trant [?] Road Croydon

John H Chapman    60 - retired civil engineer, b Herstmonceaux
Alice Chapman    46 - b dublin
Alice L Chapman    25 - b India
John H Chapman    20  b India
William J Chapman    22  b India
Charles Chapman    19 b India, apprentice Croydon School Board
Ernest A Chapman    15  b Tunbridge Wells
Frank Chapman    12 - b South Norwood

[father is a retired army officer in 1891)

I think this Charles is the school teacher who can be found in Yorkshire in 1911 and 1939.  The birth date is correct for the record in India.

Debra 

[avm228]

Tracing the Chapman/Rhoades children:

May??
Charles William Chapman, mmn Rhoades, Sep qtr 1903 Northampton (d Dec qtr 1906 Rochford aged 3)
William Henry Chapman, mmn Rhoades, Mar qtr 1905 Newhaven
Daisy Chapman, mmn Rhoades, Jun qtr 1906 Rochford
Mary Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Mar qtr 1908 Coventry
Ellen Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Jun qtr 1909 Coventry - “Nellie” in 1911
Lily Louisa Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Dec qtr 1910 Eastbourne
Albert Charles Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Mar qtr 1913 Rochford
Charles Thomas Edward Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Jun qtr 1914 Thanet

Further details on some of the children:

William Henry was born 26.12.04, according to a 1913 Croydon school record.  Home was 56 Cross Rd when he was admitted on 2 June 1913 (prev school Prettewell, Southend); father Charles W. 

William Henry left the Croydon school on 28 October 1913 - “left district”.

Ellen’s birthdate was 7 March 1909, according to her 4 April 1909 baptism record (in Mitcham).

[avm228]

Tracing the Chapman/Rhoades children:

May??
Charles William Chapman, mmn Rhoades, Sep qtr 1903 Northampton (d Dec qtr 1906 Rochford aged 3)
William Henry Chapman, mmn Rhoades, Mar qtr 1905 Newhaven
Daisy Chapman, mmn Rhoades, Jun qtr 1906 Rochford
Mary Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Mar qtr 1908 Coventry
Ellen Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Jun qtr 1909 Coventry - “Nellie” in 1911
Lily Louisa Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Dec qtr 1910 Eastbourne
Albert Charles Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Mar qtr 1913 Rochford
Charles Thomas Edward Chapman, mmn Rhoades, b Jun qtr 1914 Thanet

Further details on some of the children:

William Henry was born 26 December 1904, according to a 1913 Croydon school record.  Home was 56 Cross Rd when he was admitted on 2 June 1913 (prev school Prettewell, Southend); father Charles W.  William Henry left the Croydon school on 28 October 1913 - “left district”.

Ellen’s birthdate was 7 March 1909, according to her 4 April 1909 baptism record (in Mitcham).

[avm228]

William Henry’s birthdate of 26 December 1904 matches with a death in Worthing in 1985.

[louisa maud]

I do believe John H born Sussex circa 1833 is on 1841, 1851 he is aged  18 and a farm labourer.

Don't know where May comes from

Louisa Maud

[jonw65]

Mary Ann was actually aged 17 (she was born on 20/9/1885) and not 19 as recorded on the marriage certificate and a cook.  When their son Charles Thomas Edward was born in 1914, Charles was a builder's foreman.

Put that d-o-b into 1939 free index and get
Maryann Chapman, b 20.9.85, in Worthing, Sussex.

Her husband possibly looks interesting? But can't give full details
In free index is Albert C Chapman, born 1872, Worthing R.D.

[jonw65]

One more clue? 

For some strange reason when son Charles Thomas Edward Chapman married in 1943 he gave his father's name as Albert Charles Chapman and occupation as master builder.  I assume he was still alive in 1943 as CTE Chapman's bride's father was recorded as deceased.

Susan

[avm228]

Yes I wondered about a change/tweak of name - I asked earlier who were the witnesses to the 1943 marriage of CTE Chapman in case he was one of them, but I don’t think we know that yet.

[avm228]

If he was born in June 1872 that would be consistent with his age of 38 in the 1911 free index.

It would mean he significantly understated his age on marriage.  Was he also untruthful about his name and other details - and if so why?  Another wife somewhere, perhaps?