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Offline limarie87

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John Spencer, Camberley
« on: Monday 31 December 18 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi all!

I’m looking for any information on John Spencer and his parents/siblings. He was born in 1879 in either London Road, Camberley (according to him on the 1911 census) or Yorktown, Surrey (according to his army records). His fathers name was William and they were both tailors.

I can’t find any Spencers in Camberley on the 1881-1901 census nor can I find any birth record for John. I know he was CofE (army records) so maybe he was baptised at a local CofE church? Again, no records! It’s honestly like he just appeared in 1903 when he joined the army (in Leicester) because I have a paper trail from that point on, but nothing before.

From 1903, he lived in Yorkshire (York, Barnsley, and Leeds) so if anyone has any information about him at that point I’d love to hear from you.

Any help would be great!

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Re: John Spencer, Camberley
« Reply #1 on: Monday 31 December 18 18:02 GMT (UK) »
Did he marry & if so to whom, where & when?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John Spencer, Camberley
« Reply #2 on: Monday 31 December 18 18:02 GMT (UK) »
London Road, Camberley (The A30) and Yorktown / Sandhurst area were often occupied by military staff.  Have you considered that his father may have been a military tailor  :-\
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Re: John Spencer, Camberley
« Reply #3 on: Monday 31 December 18 18:12 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: avm228 on Monday 31 December 18 18:02 GMT (UK)
Did he marry & if so to whom, where & when?

OK I see that he married Maria Annie Franklin at York Register Office, 21 September 1907.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John Spencer, Camberley
« Reply #4 on: Monday 31 December 18 20:07 GMT (UK) »
He did marry Maria Annie Franklin in 1907 and they had six children between 1909 and 1922, they settled in the Holbeck area of Leeds. He was an army tailor so it would make sense if his father was too, I know that there was an army barracks on London Road in Camberley....if only I could find his birth record! The only reason I know his fathers name was William was because of John and Maria’s marriage certificate (where he was listed as a tailor and deceased) and also his army records.

I’m not really sure where to go with my research. I’ve got his marriage certificate, his children’s birth certificates, his death certificate, and his army records... :-\

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Re: John Spencer, Camberley
« Reply #5 on: Monday 31 December 18 20:17 GMT (UK) »
I think the first child may actually have been this one born in 1908, and if so would have been on the way at the time of the marriage:

Male Spencer, mother's maiden name Franklin, born and died Mar qtr 1908 York.

Who witnessed the 1907 marriage?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John Spencer, Camberley
« Reply #6 on: Monday 31 December 18 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Yes, that would tie in with the number of children mentioned the 1911 census (one alive and one dead).

I can’t quite make out the witnesses on the marriage certificate, I think it says F.E Setchell (or Setehell) and Lily Setchell (Setehell).

Father: William Spencer (deceased) Tailor (master)

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Re: John Spencer, Camberley
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 January 19 12:53 GMT (UK) »
The marriage witnesses

Marriage Dec qtr 1906 
Hardy    Lily       
Setchell    Frederick Eugene       
York    9d   117
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Re: John Spencer, Camberley
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 January 19 14:29 GMT (UK) »
Wow, thank you! Where did you find that information?
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