John William DOUGLAS bp 1872 Newcastle no birth reg

[Flemming]

I wonder if anyone can help identify John William DOUGLAS who was bp 17.11.1872 in St Nicholas, Newcastle upon Tyne, to parents William and Sarah. I haven't been able to find any other children bp to this couple at St Nicholas to help, and also not found a match in GRO birth registrations (tried five entries 1870-1872) or in Scotland's birth indexes. I've looked in the censuses and, again, nothing obvious for him. It's possible he was born elsewhere and just bp in Newcastle, which makes searching the censuses more difficult. It's also possible he was born overseas or at sea and bp once back in a British port.

Also, he could have been bp as an adult and/or his name changed between birth and bp (and other records). He may be recorded as DOUGLASS as well. An infant John DOUGLASS, age 0, has a death registered Q3 1873 in Gateshead, but there's a birth for the same in Q2 1873.

The original bp record may have some notes but I can't find any images for this on the usual websites, and so I may have to ask the archives in Newcastle for help with that.

Any other ideas gratefully received.

Thanks, flemming.
 

[avm228]

What’s the context - presumably you know something more about at least one of William, Sarah and John William in order to be interested/asking the question?  Understanding that might give us some ideas which could help.

[Flemming]

Hello avm228, it's a long shot theory related to a previous post.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770046.msg6226230#msg6226230

One thing I didn't mention in the above post is that Sarah's child's middle name was William, which is why I'm always interested in the names William, Sarah and DOUGLAS in Newcastle and came across John William bp 1872 whilst looking for something else. If he was born in 1872, his age would fit with him being the father of Sarah DOUGLAS b 1900/1, even if her own birth is proving elusive.

I usually manage to work through the long shots and rule them out (rather than rule them in, sadly) but I haven't been able to do it this time. If someone has any other ideas for identifying John William, or has him in their line, it might allow me to put a line through this one as well. It keeps me busy until the 1921 census comes out, which might be what's needed to find Sarah herself.

Best wishes, flemming.

[avm228]

Yes I see.  Very impressed by the thoroughness of your research so far!  I think seeing the 1872 baptism record (rather than just the transcription) would be my priority as things stand.

[River Tyne Lass]

If you are willing to wait a few weeks, I will go to the archives and look up the original baptism for you at St Nicholas. 

[Flemming]

Hello River Tyne Lass, that's really kind of you - are you sure? Don't want you to be put out by it.

[River Tyne Lass]

Yes, I am sure .. I would not have offered otherwise. . It might be helpful to find out what the original record contains.

I will post again once I have accessed the record.  This will be at any point up to a few weeks as I will fit this in as soon as work and other commitments permit.

[Flemming]

Many thanks, very much appreciated 

[River Tyne Lass]

I haven't been to the archives yet - it is not open on Mondays - this post is not about the look up that you have asked for.

I was just wondering regarding your search to find more on Sarah Douglas - have you discounted the one who seems to have been born to William Wilson and Eleanor Douglas nee Donnison in 1901?


http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/cgi-bin/ML_search.cgi?year=1895&qtr=2&vol=10b&page=147&search=search


Marriage indicator records that this William and Eleanor were married at St Jude, (Shieldfield) Newcastle upon Tyne in the June quarter of 1895.  (I learned about the marriage locator website from a previous helpful post by avm228, by the way) If you haven't discounted this Sarah and this couple - I could also check this marriage for you when I get to the archives.

Added: No this Sarah seems to have died in 1902.  Ignore this post.  Will get back about the look up you have asked for in next few weeks.