Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)

[dtcoulson]

So it looks as though Elizabeth's Mum alternated between 'Mary Coulson' & 'Mary Doyle' right through her later years. But there is a strong bias towards 'Mary' over 'Florence'.

The documents that claim she was born in Ireland are documents in which the adult children have filled out the details. They may have been incorrect on her place of birth. Yes, Irish by descent but could easily have been born in Scotland to a migrant family.

Am wondering whether there had been a formal termination to the marriage of Mary & Thomas snr?
She continued to use his surname as her own. But once again it could be that the adult children were thinking of her as Mary Coulson as this had been the name they had known her by throughout their childhood. On documents that she herself fills out, she may have switched back to Doyle. Only the discovery of more documents will tell.

Thanks for the commentary on immigration in the 1910s.

Mary's granddaughter never mentioned her having a husband so it looks as though
Mary survived on her own talents throughout her life. That would imply naturalisation
five years after arrival rather than dependency on a spouse.


-DC

[dtcoulson]

Got something that looks good.

1920 US census
Mary B Dayle
Multnomah, Oregon   
born abt 1878.

Have examined the form.
She is a nurse trainee living in an accommodation block with many other trainees on the hospital compound. St Vincents Hospital, Cornell Rd.
She claims born in Ireland (okay, opposite to what I suggested earlier), to Irish parents.
Arrived in the US in 1908 and achieved citizenship by naturalisation in 1918.

'Dayle' could easily be 'Doyle' due to the handwriting.
I was hoping to prove that the middle initial was a poorly scribbled 'F' but it is clearly a 'B'.


Opinions, anyone?

-DC
 

[dtcoulson]

Same woman again in 1910 and 1930


United States Census, 1910
Mary B Doyle
Employee
birth:   1878   Ireland
residence:   1910   Portland Ward 3, Multnomah, Oregon, United States
immigration:   1908   





United States Census, 1930
Mary B Doyle
Head
birth:   1878   Ireland
residence:   1930   Portland (Districts 1-219), Multnomah, Oregon, United States
immigration:   1908   

[dtcoulson]

Pah!

The 1940 US Census for Mary B Doyle shows she is still a nurse and still living in Portland,
now sharing a house with a niece from Ireland.

This is a problem because (a) our Mary was supposed to be living in California by 1940 according to the recollection of her granddaughter and (b) our Mary is unlikely to have had a niece from Ireland given that she grew up in Scotland and England. (Not to say impossible however).

This tips the scale for me. If Mary the nurse from Portland is not our Mary in 1940 then we have to write off all references to Mary the nurse, from 1915, 1920 etc. This brings us back to square one with this lady.

I have seen census records of a Mary Doyle living in California in 1930 and 1940, a woman born in Ireland in the early 1870s who was working as a servant. This could be our Mary but I have seen too many near-misses now to have much confidence in the conclusion.

I'm out of ideas. Anybody else?

-DC

[Milliepede]

Tough isn't it 

Who is the niece in 1940, maybe we could look for her just to rule this Mary out.

Even a death for the Mary B Doyle might help.  There is one in Georgia in 1953 age 74 but no other details.   

There are Mary Doyle's on passenger lists around 1908 but no helpful middle initial 

[Milliepede]

Well the niece is Theresa M Doyle born 1919.  Possible Theresa Margaret Doyle arriving 1937.  There are papers for her and a naturalisation petition in Los Angeles 1943.

People speaking for her are Mary V Collier? nurse (if only it said Coulson we would be in business!)

[Milliepede]

Passenger list for her under Bridget Doyle 18 Jul 1937 - matches other info which gave Bridget name as well -

says "friends name M B Doyle" so that must be the Mary B.

Father P or could be F Doyle Killchin? Carlow paid for her passage. 

Going to join a relative "Aunt M B Doyle 2424 North West Johnston St Portland Oregon"

[Milliepede]

Ah found a better death for Mary B Doyle in 1960 Portland Multnomah County Oregon that must be her so do you think we can rule her out?

[*Sandra*]

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143594989/mary-b_-doyle

When I looked yesterday, the 1908 passenger list on the Mauretania, gave Mary Doyle born 1878 Kilkenny Ireland  (Florence Mary/Mary F Coulson was born 1872)
Mary was travelling with a Bridget Doyle also from Kilkenny and they were going to New York. Had been in the USA 1897 - 1907 NY
There is also a second Mary Doyle - 1878 graegue (Graigue  ) Ireland - 27 June 1908 on the Celtic - confectioner going to brother Michael Portland Oregon.
I think Mary B Doyle is a red herring.

Sandra