Robert Neill

[Cutchie]

Hello everyone nice to be here. I have been researching my family history and I'm stuck on Robert Neill my GG grandfather, he married Mary McAvoy in Cookstown RC Church 1863 they had two children Ann born 1864 and my G grandfather James born 1866 both in the parish of  Desertcreat Tyrone. I have found Neill's in Drumard Cookstown and there are a few Roberts but can't prove any of them is my Robert also in Griffiths valuations there is a Robert Neill in Drumard plot 13, a Mary McEvoy in plot 28 and a Bel McEvoy in plot 16. Could this be them ?? no proof. I can't find the death certificate for Robert or Mary or their daughter Ann but I do have James my great grandfathers   

[Sinann]

Also posted on Tyrone board
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808757.new#new

[aghadowey]

For reference here's the birth registration for James Neill-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03546/2305131.pdf

In 1901 and 1911 census for Drumard there were Neills but all Church of Ireland- 1901 & 1911

Have you found your Neills in 1901 and 1911? (if so please provide links so we can view ourselves)
When and where did James Neill die?

Added- can't see birth registration for an Ann* Neill in Cookstown district in 1864- was she also born in Drumard?

[Kiltaglassan]

two children Ann born 1864 and my G grandfather James born 1866 both in the parish of  Desertcreat Tyrone.
 

Desertcreat parish does not have a townland called Drumard. James was born in Drumard which is in the parish of Derryloran.

https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-upper/derryloran-upper-dungannon-portion/drumard/
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/derryloran-upper-dungannon-portion/
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/desertcreat2/

KG

[aghadowey]

The Catholic parish is called Desertcreight-
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0204

[Cutchie]

Thanks for the help, I was born in the Cookstown area so know all the little townlands very well except how to spell their names correctly lol. I should also say about Robert Neill he well may be Church of Ireland as all the Neills of Drumard were, I have searched everywhere for a death record but to no avail.

[aghadowey]

Please give us ALL the details you have already found. For example, you mentioned Ann was born 1864 and I asked for link so we could see registration. On James' birth his father Robert was a mill worker so the family could easily have moved around a bit after 1866.
What information do you have on James- census records? here and when did he marry, etc.?

[Cutchie]

Again thank you for the interest and help, I hope this link works

https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/70916256?a=544744
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/70970503?a=544744
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/71752009?a=544744

James O'Neill married Jane Rooney in 1887 Cookstown RC church
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/70740392?a=544744

James and Jane O'Neill 1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/71633401?a=544744

James O'Neill death record
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/71697380?a=544744

Jane his wife died in 1902, I have traced a a lot of the Rooney's but at a dead end with trying to find Mary McAvoy O'Neill's and her husband Robert's death record.
Because it is recorded that my great grandfather James son of Robert was born in Drumard that led me to think that his father Robert was one of the Neill's of Drumard and perhaps the O was put back into the name when he got married in the RC church but then again there was a Mary McEvoy in plot 28 Drumard in Griffiths valuation could this have been Robert's wife's mother or grandmother and could another Robert O'Neill from somewhere else came in and married Mary McAvoy ?? On the face of it I would go with Robert Neill from Drumard but can't prove it, In the Derryloran COI records I found Roberts Neill's going way back to the early 1800's. The only Robert out of these Neill's who fits the time frame is Robert Neale born to William and Isabella Neill 1838 which would have made him 25 when he got married. BTW I did find a death record of a Mary O'Neill Gortalowry Cookstown 1887 and present at her death was her daughter Ann but again no idea if this was her. And also on James O'Neill's marriage cert it says father Robert O'Neill mill worker, would they still do that if James father Robert was deceased

[Cutchie]

Again thank you for the interest and help, I hope this link works

https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/70916256?a=544744
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/70970503?a=544744
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/71752009?a=544744

James O'Neill married Jane Rooney in 1887 Cookstown RC church
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/70740392?a=544744

James and Jane O'Neill 1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/71633401?a=544744

James O'Neill death record
https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/71697380?a=544744

Jane his wife died in 1902, I have traced a a lot of the Rooney's but at a dead end with trying to find Mary McAvoy O'Neill's and her husband Robert's death record.
Because it is recorded that my great grandfather James son of Robert was born in Drumard that led me to think that his father Robert was one of the Neill's of Drumard who is in plot 13 in Griffiths valuations. Perhaps the O was put back into the name when he got married in the RC church but then again there was a Mary McEvoy in plot 28 Drumard in Griffiths valuation could this have been Robert's wife's mother or grandmother and could another Robert O'Neill from somewhere else came in and married Mary McAvoy ?? On the face of it I would go with Robert Neill from Drumard but can't prove it, In the Derryloran COI records I found Roberts Neill's going way back to the early 1800's. The only Robert out of these Neill's who fits the time frame is Robert Neale born to William and Isabella Neill 1838 which would have made him 25 when he got married. BTW I did find a death record of a Mary O'Neill Gortalowry Cookstown 1887 and present at her death was her daughter Ann but again no idea if this was her. And also on James O'Neill's marriage cert it says father Robert O'Neill mill worker, would they still do that if James father Robert was deceased