Ramage of north Antrim, probably Finvoy

[shanreagh]

The Ramages I am related to were Presbyterians.  A couple of the sons of the family went to Edinburgh to train to be Presbyterian ministers/Elders (?). 

I haven't looked at the Smith Ramages or the Lockhart Ramages except to note some first name similarities.

[aghadowey]

The Ramages I am related to were Presbyterians.  A couple of the sons of the family went to Edinburgh to train to be Presbyterian ministers/Elders (?). 

I haven't looked at the Smith Ramages or the Lockhart Ramages except to note some first name similarities.

Elders are elected within a congregation and being well educated wasn't a prerequisite. I can't see any Presbyterian ministers named Ramage in A history of congregations in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland 1610-1982 so perhaps they either didn't continue their studies or didn't have a congregation in Ireland.

[shanreagh]

Thank you Aghadowey.

Yes we know they were in Edinburgh but what next do not know.  They may have come back and not followed it up  They were reputed to be 'fierce Presbyterians' according to my grandmother who died back in 1963.

Her father was Presbyterian and her mother Church of Ireland

[wyanga]

Hi does anyone have any information on the Robert Taylor Mary Ramage marriage that LindeL  mentions from the Dobbs report ?
   I have a marriage of a John McAllister and Sarah Taylor the 6th daughter of William Taylor at Clough Presbyterian Church. I am wondering if there is a connection between this William Taylor and the Robert Taylor.
  Any information on the William Taylor or his other 5 daughters might be helpful.
Wyanga

[LindeL]

In reply to Shanreagh; I have come back to thinking about Ramages again because of the recent post about the Taylor of Cornark and the marriage to McAllister of the Aird. Cornark is near Clough, when I looked up the British Newspapers Index there is an interesting reference to Cornark in 1804. Cornark which is now a subdenomination, following the Ordnance Survey mapping, seems then to have been regarded as a full td, and was owned by a Mrs Ramage of Cloughyole. Cloughyole is in Clondermot, north county Londonderry, so of interest to Shanreagh?. SO how come a widow (presumably) in Clondermot owned land in north Antrim? I think she might have been too old, surely, to be the Sarah Stewart from a county Antrim prominent semi-gentry?? family, though that might explain her inheritance in Antrim if she was an heiress or was selling her dowry estate. Anyway Sarah Stewart  married Alexander Ramage in probably the mid 18th century, because Sarah Stewart and Alexander Ramage had a daughter Mary who married Robert Taylor well before 1796; there were adult Taylor children in 1796 and the Stewart Ramage couple had known grandchildren. So, Shanreagh and anyone, was there an Alexander Ramage in Cloughyole, or can I keep on hoping that Robert Taylor and the Ramages are those that I know about in Finvoy? Or does the Stewart- Ramage - Taylor connection have any relevance to why  William Taylor was in Cornark, not so very far from Finvoy? Coincidences and questions!

[shanreagh]

Alexander Ramage is one of the names on my list.   Ramages did own/lease land in Antrim as my direct ancestor isaac was on a voters list from Antrim.  All my material is packed away.  I have an excel file called Ramage Mentions that misses a couple of generations prior to bewteen about 1796 and 1842. 

There are Ramages around Clondermot/Cloghole.  I will have a look at the material you have.....great thanks.

My Ramages (men) were known as 'fierce Presbytarians' quote from my grandmother Catherine Buchan Ramage Dahm. 

Some Ramages around Coleraine.

[LindeL]

I was inspired to look again at Ramages, and came up with some interesting bits from the Registry of Deeds, which might particularly interest Shanreagh and possibly Wyanga. I was looking for the Mrs Ramage of Cloughyole who was leasing Cornark near Clough in 1804. I don't think I found her but I did find a Jane Ramage, widow, (who conceivably could be but possibly is not the same widow Ramage?) from Petershill in Belfast, widow, who in 1804 leased property to John Halliday of Belfast. What is of interest is that the deed was witnessed by Isaac Ramage Warren, bookseller. In another lease same year Isaac Ramage Warren was granted all her property and debts, then said to be a stationer. Isaac Ramage may not be your direct ancestor, Shanreagh,I don't think you mention his dates. Presumably this Isaac Ramage Warren was actually a son of Mrs Ramage?? who had taken the name Warren for some reason? Maybe Mrs Ramage was Warren and inherited property from her family. Middle names not at all usual at that date, they mean something when you find them. And for Wyanga and me , the name Warren is of interest; both his Taylors and Finvoy Taylors use that as a Chritsian name for some reason or reasons. I can't see how this all ties in, and it is most likely just coincidence. But interesting

[wyanga]

LindeL
           You are right about the Warren name being tantalising, it was a fairly common surname in England in the 1800's and no doubt had come to Ireland from there, but its use as a christen name or being added to a name is unusual , Somtimes I think that second names were added and used to avoid confusion in a household. My own Gt Gt Grandmother varied from Mary to Ann in the Baptism of her children . She may have been christened Mary Ann, which was popular in the 1800's  and her mother was Mary. She retained the name Ann for the remainder of her life. One of her sons seems to have added the name Corbett in his 30's and we believe that this was from a neighbour who very likely helped him obtain a Dr's degree at a German University and was added as acknowledgement for the assistance.
   But you have pointed to the name Warren being used in diverse places such as Dublin and Finvoy as well as Aird in Antrim
Wyanga

[aghadowey]

Just in case anyone is collecting Ramages here are some death letters (several before civil registration)-

Sir the remains of my Dear Husband will be removed hence for interment to the Graveyard of Camus on Monday Morning 29th Inst. at 9 O’Clock. Yours Respectfully Sarah Ramage Dromore 26th Jany 1849 [handwritten]

Dromore 15th Nov. 1860. Sir the remains of my dear daughter MARGARET, will be removed from this place for interment in the Grave-yard of Camus on Saturday morning the 17th instant at 9 o’clock a.m. Your attendance is requested by your sorrowing friend, Andrew Ramage

Died at Dromore, Macosquin, on 12th May 1869 MARY the beloved Wife of Mr. Andrew Ramage Aged 66 years. Her remains will be removed for interment in the Camus Burying ground. On Saturday Morning next, 15th inst., precisely at 8 o’clock. Andrew Ramage 12th May 1869

Died at his residence, Dromore, on Monday the 15th March 1875. Andrew Ramage Aged 72 Years. His Remains will be removed for interment in the Camus Burying-Grund on Wednesday Morning the 17th inst. at the hour of 10 o’clock. John Ramage

Died at his residence, Crossgar, on Saturday Evening 2nd February 1878 John Ramage aged 51 years. His remains will be removed for interment in Camus Burying-ground on Monday (to-morrow) 4th February, at 2 o’clock p.m. His Sorrowing Daughter. Jane Ramage

Died at his residence. Dromore on sabbath the 20th May 1888, ANDREW RAMAGE aged 48 years. His remains will be removed for interment in Camus Burying-ground. On Tuesday the 22nd inst., at Three o’clock p.m. Ann Ramage

Camus Burying-ground: Sacred to the memory of Mary Ramage who departed this life 28th April 1826 aged 18 years.