O'Brien-Ninghpnay

[ozff]

Hello
I'm new to your site and wondering if anyone can help.

I'm trying to find out anything about:

Thomas O'Brien (possibly O'Brian) born in Tipperary, around  1847
[according to his marriage certificate, to Mary Ann (Annie) Chessells in Kilmore, Vic, Aust, in July 1869, in an Anglican church]

At the time of his marriage he was a laborer and presumably was illiterate as he signed it with a cross.

His parents were recorded as:
Thomas O'Brian and Nancy Ninghpnay

None of the witnesses were family members

This is all I have to go on at this stage.

There is a possibility he had an older brother William, but unconfirmed at this stage.

I haven't found any immigration records that fit with a family group of Thomas, Nancy and young Thomas; but I did find a family group Thomas and Margaret O'Brien with 4 children including a William & a Thomas ( with Thomas' age  +/-the same as estim from marr. cert; and William is older) [This family were on the James T Foord May 1851 to Melbourne]

Also, I haven't found any other Thomas O'Brien's travelling alone, of the right approximate age.

I'm hoping young Thomas birth rec will be amongst the new parish records that are being currently digitised.

Also his mother's surname is quite unusual, possibly Gaelic, and possibly mistranslated by the Anglican reverend ???maybe

Many people have already looked at the hand writing (of her surname) so I'm happy that that's whats written.

One other piece of unsubstantiated info, is that he, Thomas, came from "Shirly Bight", Tipperary
I have not been able to find any place in Tipperary with that name - it may be a clue but no luck with it yet

Thank you in anticipation

[hallmark]

Shallee (White)    ??      https://www.logainm.ie/en/46417

[hallmark]

I make it to be https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0798  Silvermines 

IF  he was born R.C

[wivenhoe]

Marriage certificate, 1869.....are you looking at an image of a handwritten document....or a typed document?

Can you please list all the information on this document please.

VIC BDM marriage
2455/1869 CHESSELLS  Mary Ann  marr. OBRIAN, Thomas

VIC BDM birth

3184/1871 OBRIEN John James  parents  Mary Ann CHESSELLS / Thomas   @  KALK
26402/1872 OBRIEN  Sarah Ann  parents  Ann CHESSELLS /  Thomas    @ SEYM
5530/1875 OBRIEN Mary Isabella Helen  parents Mary Ann CHESSELS / Thomas   @ SHEP

Do you have a death record for Thomas O'BRIEN, married 1869?


Also -
2769/1866 CHESSELLS Elizabeth  marr. HOSIE, James

I do not think you need to worry about CHESSELLS....Ninghpnay  is the worry.

[hallmark]

I'm half-wondering if his father was in Army and married in India!!

[ozff]

Thanks Hallmark for your suggestions - the first one's a possibility. Shallee (white)

Also just saw your post re idea of military & India connection - where would I start looking? Any ideas

And Wivenhoe , you're correct I have quite alot of information on the Chessels; here I'm trying to follow the O'Brien-Ninghpnay line.

Marr cert is handwritten  and relevant is in my previous post- Am interested in the Irish part of story

Thanks for taking an interest

[hallmark]

Thanks Hallmark for your suggestions - the first one's a possibility. Shallee (white)

Also just saw your post re idea of military & India connection - where would I start looking? Any ideas

 

Thanks for taking an interest

India?      

[sparrett]

I do understand that you have had many eyes looking at the surname Ninghpnay, but if you are able,I  think it cannot do any harm to post a snip here so that we may all have a chance for interpretation.

It is a highly unusual name and the man was not literate, it was probably a phonetic attempt at spelling by the clergy.

Sue
Just ADDING for your interest, we have some highly skilled decipherers in the forum

[wivenhoe]

Do you have a death record for Thomas O'BRIEN, married 1869?

Can you please list all the information on the marriage certificate, 1869.