JARMAN - ALLEN Marriage 1904

[Newfloridian]

I'm looking to confirm the parents of Mr Jarman. The marriage is registered in the name of John Alfred Jarman and Lucy Henrietta Allen (Billesdon 7a 79 OND 1904). They were living in Tugby at the time of the 1911 census with two daughters. Jarman declared himself to be 30 years old.

Unfortunately no suitable birth index for a John (Alfred) in that time scale. The nearest is a Charles Alfred Jarman with MMN Ashby. If that is the case it would give his father's name as John

Are the Billesdon District marriages (presumably Tugby) available on line anywhere? I haven't found any so far.

Alan

[PaulineJ]

This 1901 one has the right age and birthplace.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS45-5D1  Did you locate him elsewhere in 1911?

JARMAN, CHARLES  ALFRED     ASHBY  1880  S 1/4 in UPPINGHAM  Volume 07A  Page 331

[Newfloridian]

Hi Pauline

Yes, as mentioned after he was married he was living in Tugby in 1911 and was calling himself John Alfred.

I have seen that 1901 census and that would correspond to the Charles Alfred that I also mentioned in the first post.

I would be delighted if that 1901 census is correct and matches the 1904 marriage. If it does it untangles a huge morass of family interconnections in my database. Maybe knowing that his father at the marriage was John and possibly seeing witnesses would confirm. btw they were also in Alexton in 1891

Cheers Alan

Cheers Alan

[philipsearching]

Does the marriage certificate give John's father's name and occupation?

The 1901 census found by PaulineJ leads to a marriage (found on FreeBMD):
Dec qtr 1875 Uppingham vol 7a p697 John JARMAN and Fanny ASHBY.

The closest match for a death I could find on FreeBMD is:
Mar qtr 1939 Billesdon (Leics) vol 7a p36 JARMAN Charles A age 57

[Newfloridian]

I don't have the marriage certificate. That's why I was wondering whether the Tugby (or nearby) Parish Registers were online anywhere.

Pity Charles A didn't live another 6 months - he might have appeared in the 1939 Directory if he had.

The 1939 Directory does give one little push towards the truth. Lucy H Jarman, now a widow, is living with her married daughter in Burton Overy

Alan

[Comberton]

The Billesdon registers are available to browse on FindMyPast but the 1904 marriage is not there, 17 registers in total. Also 9 for Tugby but not covering 1904 marriages

[Ladyhawk]

Electoral register years 1927 & 1928

Address Keythorpe Cottage
Charles Alfred & Lucy Henrietta Jarman

Address Lake Cottage
Ernest & Matilda Harriet Jarman

Address Tugby
Ashby & Selina Jarman

There are earlier entries for Charles Alfred & Lucy Henrietta Jarman at the same address

Baptism of two of their children give his first name as John

Elizabeth Emily Jarman
Birth date   29 Sep 1907
Baptism date   03 Nov 1907
Baptism place   Tugby
Denomination   Anglican
County   Leicestershire
Father   John Alfred occ labourer Mother Lucy Henrietta
Event Parish Registers

John Arthur William Jarman
Birth date   27 Jul 1911
Baptism date   27 Aug 1911
Baptism place   Tugby
Denomination   Anglican
County   Leicestershire
Father    John Alfred occ labourer Mother Lucy Henrietta
Event    Parish Registers

Not found a baptism for a John or Charles Alfred Jarman parents John & Fanny but there are these
fathers occ labourer

Ashby   Jarman   1888      Allexton   John   Fanny   
Ernest   Jarman   1891    Allexton   John   Fanny   
Herbert   Jarman   1895      Allexton   John   Fanny   
Jane   Jarman   1887               Allexton   John   Fanny   
Margaret Alice   Jarman   1902      Allexton   John   Fanny

 Leicestershire Parish Registers, 1533-1991
Charles Alfred Jarman age 57
Burial 30 Jan 1939 Skeffington Leicestershire
Religion Anglican
From family search

[Ladyhawk]

Lucy HenriettaJarman Age   82
Burial date   06 Dec 1967
Burial place   Skeffington
Denomination   Anglican
County   Leicestershire
Parish Registers

On Page 36 year 1937 burial register parish  Skeffington are
Charles Alfred Jarman  buried 30th Jan 1939 also
Ernest Jarman buried 9th Sept 1943 next to brother Chas A Jarman
Denomination   Anglican

[Newfloridian]

Thank you - that I think clinches it. In retrospect, the 1911 census, when he appears as John Albert Jarman, was filled in by Mrs Lucy Jarman for some reason

Many thanks, all

Alan