Long Shot photo identification - WW1 peace celebrations, Pattingham

[M_ONeill]

Hey all,

So this is a long shot photo identification to ask if anyone thinks that the man present in this photo pouring a drink is present among the men in this picture, the Pattingham peace celebrations at the end of the war. Zoom in may be required!

It's a long shot as there's not a huge amount of detail in the second picture, and a whole lot of people! I've just always wondered which of the men he is, if any. He had returned to England from a German POW camp by about mid-to-late December 1918, so I don't know if he'd have still been in uniform by early 1919 when I believe this image was taken.

[MaxD]

His name and regiment may produce a cap badge that could be identified perhaps and a date of release.  He wouldn't be sporting the mutton chop whiskers in uniform and I don't see any of the civilians with such whiskers (although there is one lady that looks a bit suspicious

Max

[jim1]

I think pic 1 is a lot earlier. 1880's-90's.
The mutton chop chap is sporting a "Newgate Frill" popular from the 1850's but not seen much after the 1880's & then only on older men.

[M_ONeill]

Hmm, in that case, perhaps it's not actually my great grandfather. He was born in 1884. He was identified as 'Jack Monckton' by the local history group that owns the photo and my great grandfather was John Thomas Monckton.

I'm thinking now that it may be my great grandfather's uncle, also John Monckton who was an older step-brother of my 2x great grandfather James. He is listed as 34 in the 1881 census as an 'agricultural machinist'.

All of which, I suppose, makes it an even longer shot to identify my Great Grandfather, but here goes! Max D, his name was John Thomas Monckton, he first landed in France in early 1917 where he joined the 10th Lincolnshire's (Grimsby Chums), seeing his first action at Rouex.

He fought through to March 1918 where he was taken prisoner during the second day of the German Spring Offensive, near Bullecourt. He had reached Limburg an der Lahn POW camp (Dietkirchen) by May of that year, apparently as part of a shipment of invalids with illnesses and non-combat injuries. He was erroneously listed by the Germans as 'James Monckton' and apparently had 'oedemma des Beines', or swollen legs - possibly due to malnutrition.

There is no record of a transfer to another camp, but according to newspaper entries he was back in England by mid-to-late December.

[MaxD]

His medal roll entry doesn't, in his case, give his release date. Cap badge would be  as:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lincolnshire+regiment+cap+badge&qpvt=lincolnshire+regiment+cap+badge&FORM=IGRE
although there were others that also had the Sphinx).

Sharper eyes than mine needed though!

Agree with jim1 on the approx. date of pic 1.

MaxD

[M_ONeill]

I'm not sure there's enough fidelity in the photo to make out the cap badge! Even zoomed in, they all appear fairly blurred to me - and at a distance the Lincolnshire Regiment badge can be mistaken for a number of badges with horses on them.

It's a lot harder now that I don't know what my great-grandfather looked like. 

[jim1]

The men in uniform would have been on the "Z" list at this time.
As your man was considered an invalid I doubt he would have been included & therefore discharged.
So he may be there but in civvies.