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Offline Horbat

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Tracing a soldier without a name
« on: Tuesday 03 September 19 00:02 BST (UK) »
Hello all,
I would like to trace my late mother’s father. The story that we children grew up with is that my grand-father maternal was an English soldier in France during WWI. He met a French woman and the result was the birth of my mother in June 1917. This soldier made a pact with his best friend: in case anything happened to him his comrade would look after the mother and child. Unfortunately, something did happen to him. He was killed. True to his promise his friend brought the woman and child back to England and married her in 1921. They lived together without having children until their deaths in the early 60’s.  Unfortunately I don’t know the name of my mother’s father.  I had hoped to discover his regiment by searching for her step-father’s war service but I’ve drawn a complete blank - so far I’ve been unable to find any indication that he even served in the Army!
Does anyone have any ideas how I should proceed?
Any help would be much appreciated.

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Re: Tracing a soldier without a name
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 September 19 00:19 BST (UK) »
Just give us names, Regiments, etc. anything to make a start on finding your people.

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Re: Tracing a soldier without a name
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 September 19 03:36 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat Horbart  :)

Needle & Haystack come to mind i.e. I think DNA is the probable route?

Annie
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Re: Tracing a soldier without a name
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 September 19 06:04 BST (UK) »
Start with something you know about your mother.

Can you list the information on her marriage certificate please?

What is your source for your mother's birth date being June 1917?

Can you list the information on the marriage certificate, 1921, please.


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Re: Tracing a soldier without a name
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 September 19 08:04 BST (UK) »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat,

First of all, do  you have a birth certificate for your mother ? Would she have been baptised in France?

As has been said by wivenhoe , do you have all the details from her mother and step father's 1921 marriage?

Agree with Annie, DNA test could assist and provide possible family links (don't know anything about DNA personally ,only what I've read on this site)

Good luck with your research,

Looby :)





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Re: Tracing a soldier without a name
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 September 19 11:01 BST (UK) »
What Regiment did your mother's step-father serve with?
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Tracing a soldier without a name
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 September 19 11:06 BST (UK) »
What Regiment did your mother's step-father serve with?

I presumed from Horbat's comment - I had hoped to discover his regiment by searching for her step-father’s war service but I’ve drawn a complete blank - so far I’ve been unable to find any indication that he even served in the Army! that they had been unable to ascertain whether the step-father of their mother had served in Army  :-\   

Looby :)


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Re: Tracing a soldier without a name
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 September 19 14:33 BST (UK) »
Hi, Horbat:

1) I agree with Looby re. the birth certificate and baptismal records for your mother. Make sure you have the long-form birth record (if one is available in France). She might have been baptized by her mother in France; she might also have been baptized in England by her mother and stepfather after they were married. One or all of these records might name your mother's biological father.

Here's an example from my own life. When I purchased my grandmother's long-form birth record from the US (I'm in Canada), to my surprise I learned that she had been born at a Salvation Army Maternity Home! This took me down a long, interesting path with some surprising results and a fairly solid theory as to her father's identity. This was before DNA testing was widely available; I'm guessing now it would probably either provide me with more corroboration for my theory or disprove it altogether.

2) Also per Looby, make sure you have a copy of your mother's mother's full marriage record, in case it might offer any clues. Depending on the timing of the marriage, the record might list your mother's stepfather's regiment and rank.

3) Keep in mind that not all records from the First World War have survived. Knowing where your mother's stepfather was from, and which regiment he might have served with, should allow you to ascertain whether or not the records should even exist, assuming he did serve. If the individual records no longer exist, the regiment's diaries might still be around, and they might sometimes offer information about the dates and places where a regiment was active. (For example, this is the case for the Cheshire Regiment in which my husband's grandfather served.)

4) Sometimes individual soldiers were named in brief newspaper reports on new recruits for the town/city; it wouldn't hurt to search the online newspaper archives for your mother's stepfather's name during the right time frame; even his first initial + last name might provide you with a clue to help you get going in the right direction. (If he had siblings that might have served, you could also search for their names, in case that might provide a clue.)

5) The same might be true with a newspaper notice of the marriage.

6) If there was a gap between the time of your mother's birth and the time of her mother's marriage, try to find out if there might have been any claims against the biological father for child support (in case he was still alive).

7) Find out if your mother might have been officially adopted by her stepfather.

Good luck in your search!

Regards,
Josephine
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Re: Tracing a soldier without a name
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 September 19 16:53 BST (UK) »
I agree with Looby, Wivenhoe & Josephine although from reading the initial post I'd assumed all necessary docs. to have been used?

I just find it odd, a long detailed story (true or not) about the step-father etc. yet the most important thing being the father's name was excluded.

Let's not also forget, friends in the army could well have come from different counties too i.e. I think it will be a hard task to match 'friend' with anonymous father.

Annie

Add...I also believe in the circumstances DNA would be the cheapest & most reliable route for the era concerned.
There's often much reduced offers on Anc*

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"