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Re: Mansell family in 1861 in Wales.
« Reply #9 on: Friday 20 September 19 23:10 BST (UK) »
Does it say Elizabeth Mansell nee Robinson?

1851 shows a daughter Elizabeth aged 1 b Warwickshire although she was a bit young to have a child in 1864

Richard only died Dec qtr 1863 so Elizabeth got pregnant very quickly afterwards
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Re: Mansell family in 1861 in Wales.
« Reply #10 on: Friday 20 September 19 23:17 BST (UK) »
No it doesn't say nee Robinson.

Elizabeth Ann Mansell born 1849 Radford Semele bapt 23/12/1849 Radford Semele. Died aged 1yr 9m  1852 at Coton End Warwick. Buried 25/7/1852.

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Warwickshire-      Green, Mansell
Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth

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Re: Mansell family in 1861 in Wales.
« Reply #11 on: Friday 20 September 19 23:24 BST (UK) »
Although they married in 1839 - Elizabeth was their only living child by 1851

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Elizabeth Ann Mansell born 1849 Radford Semele bapt 23/12/1849 Radford Semele. Died aged aged 1yr 9m  1852 at Coton End Warwick. Buried 25/7/1852.

From GRO maiden name search

MANSELL, ELIZABETH   mmn     ROBINSON     
GRO Reference: 1850  M Quarter in WARWICK UNION  Volume 16  Page 611

FS shows baptism as shown by you above but not as Elizabeth Ann - just Elizabeth
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Re: Mansell family in 1861 in Wales.
« Reply #12 on: Friday 20 September 19 23:33 BST (UK) »
If that is Mary Ann Birth 1857 Merthyr Tydfil mmn Robinson. Then there is a John Llewellyn birth 1854 Mertyr Tydfil mmn Robinson could be another child but never found him with them. Mary Ann had a son John Llewellyn in 1875 a year before she married Thomas Stoner.
Warwickshire-      Green, Mansell
Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth


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Re: Mansell family in 1861 in Wales.
« Reply #13 on: Friday 20 September 19 23:34 BST (UK) »
In one of the census's Mary Ann was born Aberdare.
Warwickshire-      Green, Mansell
Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth

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Re: Mansell family in 1861 in Wales.
« Reply #14 on: Friday 20 September 19 23:36 BST (UK) »
There is also I found tonight an Esther Mansell mmn Robinson born Warwick 1847.
Warwickshire-      Green, Mansell
Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth

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Re: Mansell family in 1861 in Wales.
« Reply #15 on: Friday 20 September 19 23:38 BST (UK) »
Esther died the same year. I will have a look at the Radford Semele records tomorrow.
Warwickshire-      Green, Mansell
Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth

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Re: Mansell family in 1861 in Wales.
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 21 September 19 00:22 BST (UK) »
I think I have made a big error.

All Warwick reg.

Elizabeth Ann Mansill born M1850.mmn Kelly, Eliza Ann Mansill died Sept 1852 aged 1.9m

Elizabeth Mansell born M1850. mmn Robinson.

Elizabeth Mansell died Dec 1852 aged 5.

The top one is the same person, the bottom 2 may not be the same person as the age doesn't match.
Elizabeth may be with them in Wales in 1861. Maybe William James is her son. looked after by her mum.
Warwickshire-      Green, Mansell
Gloucestershire-   Mansell, Haines
Worcestershire-    Haynes, Simms
Oxfordshire-         Green. Hawkins
Leicestershire-      Kirby. Gee
North Shields-      Middlemiss, Haines, Faircloth

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Re: Mansell family in 1861 in Wales.
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 21 September 19 06:05 BST (UK) »
Yes that's the family. I have just realised I had a previous topic on this a few years ago and forgot about it.

I think I have just found Edith. death reg. June qtr 1875 Lewes(Sussex) aged 15. That is where Mary Ann married Thomas Stoner in Sussex in 1876.

On that other topic(Richard Mansell burial Wiltshire) Trish did find Edith Mansell bapt. 21/7/1861 St Brides Minor, Glamorgan parents Richard and Elizabeth although I have never found a birth for her.

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GRO Birth Registration
Edith Mansel, Sep Qtr 1861, Bridgend, 11a 383 - mother's maiden name Robinson