Sweeney/McMurray

[kathleenmitchell]

St Rollex - she died in Glasgow Poorhouse, but it is a good bit after George died, and he said he was a widower.

[MonicaL]

Hi Kathy

Have you got the details of their marriage from the 1860s births in Scotland? These certs should include date and place of parents' marriage.

The family were RC? There is one RC baptism for a Nicolaus Sweeny (could this be for son Miles?) in August 1859 at St Mary's, Greenock.

Monica

[MonicaL]

The last birth you have for daughter Ann in 1867, she died in 1868?

Ann SWEENEY
1
MMN - MCMURRAY
1868
564/1 189
Greenock New or Middle

Would let you check whether mother Mary was still alive. All to try to narrow down her death year.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Struggling to see the family members in 1871 so far  Have you been able to find them?

Monica

[Rosinish]

St Rollex - she died in Glasgow Poorhouse, but it is a good bit after George died, and he said he was a widower.

Thanks, was just making sure as she could have left home or anything in that time & simply because she just seems to have vanished.

Annie

[Rosinish]

Do you have yrs of birth please for children & which were born Ireland/Scotland, not having much luck with census?

Annie

[kathleenmitchell]

Hi,
According to Anne’s death in 1868 Mary is still alive.

Edward born in 1849 Ireland,
Patrick 1854 Greenock, Ann 1855, Catherine 1857, Nicolaus/Myles 1857, John 1861, James 1863, Martha 1865, Ann 1867, all Greenock.

It is possible that Ann was either George or Mary’s mother as the name has been used twice.

In 1851 on the census they were in Kirkintilloch
1861 Greenock, I cannot find them anywhere in the 1871

[Rosinish]

What info. regarding marriage is on Ann's birth cert. (1867)?

Is there a marriage place/date or does it just give parents as George Sweeney & Mary McMurray or Mary Sweeney M.S. McMurray?

Annie

[Forfarian]

St Rollex - she died in Glasgow Poorhouse, but it is a good bit after George died, and he said he was a widower.

If she had deserted him, perhaps he put it about that she had died to avoid the stigma of having been deserted? Who registered his death?

From the IGI the dates of birth of the children in Scotland are
Catherine 13 May 1857
Miles 2 August 1859
John 9 August 1861
James 18 January 1863
Martha 18 May 1865
Ann 15 July 1867
all in Greenock

The ages in the 1861 census suggest that Edward was born 1848/1849 in Ireland, and Patrick 1853/1854 in Greenock.

The RC baptisms on Scotland's People all list the mother as Mary Murray not McMurray
Ann born 27 Oct 1851 bap 2 Nov 1851 St Michael's Lennoxtown
Pat born 7 Jun 1853 bap 12 June 1853 St Mary's Greenock
Ann born 23 Apr 1855 bap 17 June 1855 St Mary's Greenock
Catherine born 13 Mar 1857 bap 17 May 1857 St Mary's Greenock
Nicolaus born 2 Aug 1859 bap 8 Aug 1859 St Mary's Greenock
Curious that there is no birth listing for Ann b 1855 in SP. Also unfortunate because if the birth had been registered the certificate should have contained lots of useful extra infrmation.

As Mary died in the poorhouse, it would be worth checking to see if there is any information about her in the Glasgow parochial board (Poor Law) records in the Mitchell Library.