Help with the ancestry of a William Toplis, gilder, born about 1816?

[ThrelfallYorky]

Sounds interesting, and very possible - it seems he (young Robert ) became a printer / compositor  later in life, and I'd thought his father Robert was a shopkeeper / stationer, not a servant, so it looks as if they might not have been from such a good start. I've dithered between 1784 and 1786 for his birth date.
(Later on most of the family seem to have been carvers / gilders - picture frames, I suppose, in the main.)
Thank you trish1120 for your generous help and time. I'll try and follow that up asap.

[Capetown]

1841 Census,
Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: St Alkmund

Surname on Ancestry transcribed as SOPHS

Robert - 55 - Printer - born in County
Mary - 55 - born in County
Eliza - 30 - not born in County
John - 20 - not born in County
Joseph - 15 - not born in County
David - 15 - born in County


1851 Census, Derby St Alkmund

TOPLIS

Robert, Wid - 68, Printer, Compositor born Derby
Eliza GOODMAN - dua - Widow aged 41, Dresmaker, Nottingham
David TOPLIS - son aged 25, Brushmaker, born Derby

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1861 Census, Derbyshire. St Alkmund

Exeter Place

Robert TOPLIS, Wid - 77 Printer Compositor, born Derbyshire, Derby
Eliza GOODMAN - da - Widow - 51 - Milliner and Dressmaker, born Nottinghamshire, Notts
Mary BERRY - dau - widow - 49 - laundress, born ditto
David TOPLIS - son - unmarried - 35 Brush maker born ditto

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UK Register of Duties, paid for Apprenticeship Indenture 1710-1811

has a number of TOPLIS in Derbyshire

??

16 Janury 1804 - Master: Robt TOPLIS, Chesterfield Co of Framework Knitters


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Ancestry

Freebody's Derby Director 1852

TOPLIS, Robert, Printer 7 Exeter Place


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Ancestry UK Midlands and Various Trade Directory

1818

Robert TOPLIS

occupation: Printer

Eastgate Street

[ThrelfallYorky]

Thank you, Capetown, for your information, mostly it confirms what I've got about Robert Toplis - I'd noted the "Exeter Place" address for the '61 census, as well as the '52 Trade directory, and assumed they were "living over the shop", so to speak. I have the censuses, and am half-certain that Robert died after the 1861 census, and prior to the 1871 census, when the family seems fragmented. William Toplis, a son of Robert, was where I'd started from.
I must try to chase those apprenticeship records, could be very helpful. I'm persuaded that Robert -the-printer's wife was a Mary, from census record of 1841 and baptism records, and she may well have been a Mary. It seems highly probable that Robert-the-Printer b c 1784/6 was a child of a Robert Toplis and his wife, Elizabeth. I'm assuming they would have been born c 1730s, but haven't yet quite isolated the right couple .... but I'm still trying!
Thank you for taking the trouble to do research that matches what I've got. It is appreciated.