Help with the ancestry of a William Toplis, gilder, born about 1816?

[ThrelfallYorky]

I've found a William Toplis, b Staffordshire about 1816, who by the time he's about 25 pops up as a journeyman gilder in 1841, lodging with a Johnson family.
In later censuses I have him married to an Eliza, born about 1818 Derby area, as a carver and gilder, and he seems to settle in Sheffield Yorkshire for the rest of his life. He has several children, including sons Thomas John, b about 1840, Liverpool, and William Arthur b 1857 Sheffield among them, but I'd really like to try and find where / when he was married - I've had no luck with that so far, to try and establish Eliza's maiden name, and possibly William's parentage, and his father's occupation.
I've had a "William" and a "Robert" suggested, and a mysterious "Percy", possibly a son or brother was also mentioned, but I'm afraid I've no more than that to go on, and little idea where I might look for help, and any guidance would be welcome!

[JenB]

and William Arthur b 1857 Sheffield among them, but I'd really like to try and find where / when he was married - I've had no luck with that so far, to try and establish Eliza's maiden name, 

William Arthur Toplis, b. 2nd q 1857, Sheffield 9C, 249, mother's maiden surname Moult.

[JenB]

William Toplis married Eliza Moult, 10th July 1836, St Alkmunds Derby.

[ThrelfallYorky]

Wow! Thank you JenB - why couldn't I find that? I've found other family members on a parallel line on St Alkmund's records ! Thank you again... made me feel so silly......
Most probably her local church, wouldn't it be?

[suzard]

fuller details from image
St Alkmands Derby
William Toplis bachelor and Eliza Moult spinster were married in Church by Banns by R M Hope officiating minister on 10 July 1836
William signed Eliza made her mark
Witnesses Thomas Orgill signed & Ann Allsop made her mark

1841 Hill St Derby St Peter
Eliza Toplis 20 Y
Thomas Toplis 1 No
they seem to be in the same property as James & Maria Burton
HO107 199 12 26 5

Suz

[Jamjar]

fuller details from image
St Alkmands Derby
William Toplis bachelor and Eliza Moult spinster were married in Church by Banns by R M Hope officiating minister on 10 July 1836
William signed Eliza made her mark
Witnesses Thomas Orgill signed & Ann Allsop made her mark

1841 Hill St Derby St Peter
Eliza Toplis 20 Y
Thomas Toplis 1 No
they seem to be in the same property as James & Maria Burton
HO107 199 12 26 5

Suz

There are other ‘Moult’ in the same household, also:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M739-ZYN

I think these may be appropriate christenings:


Ann: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWHN-S43

Eliza: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGN3-MRJ

Henry: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYLX-F4J

Maria: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J33P-68F

Frederick: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ5L-YV2

Possible marriage of their folks: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJB5-FMH

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

TOPLIS, MARY mmn MOULT 
GRO Reference: 1842  M Quarter in OF THE DERBY UNION  Volume 19  Page 576

TOPLIS, ELIZA mmn MOULT 
GRO Reference: 1844  M Quarter in THE DERBY UNION  Volume 19  Page 538

TOPLIS, HERBERT  WILLIAM mmn MOULT death Sept 1845
GRO Reference: 1845  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 649

TOPLIS, DAVID mmn MOULT death Sept 1846
GRO Reference: 1846  S Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 654

TOPLIS, ISAAC mmn MOULT death Sept Quarter 1847
GRO Reference: 1847  S Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 584

TOPLIS, SEPTIMUS mmn MOULT death Sept Quarter 1848
GRO Reference: 1848  D Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 617

TOPLIS, EMMA mmn MOULT 
GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 730

TOPLIS, GEORGE mmn MOULT death March 1853
GRO Reference: 1852  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 236

TOPLES, ALBERT mmn MOULT death Dec 1853
GRO Reference: 1853  S Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 216

TOPLIS, SAMUEL mmn MOULT death Sept 1856
GRO Reference: 1855  S Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 247

TOPLIS, WILLIAM  ARTHUR mmn MOULT 
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 249

TOPLIS, FRANCIS  WALTER mmn MOULT 
GRO Reference: 1858  S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 237

1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPM1-7KR

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M72C-GMB

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBCG-4N8

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-XWCQ

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[trish1120]

WILLIAM Toplis Bapt 29 Mar 1816, St Mary, Stafford, Staffordshire
Parents ROBERT/MARY
Fathers occupation Printer***
(FreeREG)

1851 Census
Derby St Alkmund, Derbyshire
Robert Toplis, 67, Head, Wdr, Printer Compositor, born Derbyshire
Eliza Goodman, 41, Daug, Widow, Dressmaker, born Nottinghamshire
David Toplis, 25, Son, Unm,  Brushmaker, born Derbyshire

1841 Census
Robert Sophs, 55, Printer
Mary Sophs, 55
Eliza Sophs, 30, Dressmaker
John Sophs, 20, China Painter
Joseph Sophs, 15,  Printers Apprentice
David Sophs, 15, Brushmaker

Robert/Mary/David born in Derbyshire, all others not in County

Trish

[trish1120]

Given Eliza was born c 1810 Nottinghamshire I think this is the Parents Marriage;

03 Oct 1808, All Saints, Derby, Derbyshire
Robert TOPLIS, Parish St Peter Nottingham
Mary WALTHALL
Notes; Robert Toplis Jnr.
(FreeREG)

So Roberts Father was a Robert.