Mary Thomas

[Helina]

Mary Thomas born 1762 (c) Gloucestershire married James Williams born 1772 (c)1797 in Bristol.  James was a farmer and they lived in Olveston.  Mary already had a daughter Ann Lippiatt Thomas born 1785 Thornbury.  Now the problem who were Mary's parents and who was her first husband?

Found a baptism for Mary on the 9th October 1762 in Olveston naming Mary's Mother as Hannah and the Father as Thomas Mapson.  This information is also on an ancestry tree. Going back to daughter Ann, who was her father and where did the name Lippiatt come from.  There is a Thomas Lippiatt born  1751 in Olveston, died in the 1830's (several death records in the 1830's for a Thomas Lippiatt)  no record of a marriage so guess they never married if I have the right Thomas.  Another mystery if Mary's surname is Thomas is there another Mr Thomas somewhere?  Also why is Mary's father named as Thomas Mapson?

Need to get this sorted out in my mind as Mary is my great Grandmother x 3

Any help would be appreciated.

helina

[rosie99]

Mary Thomas born 1762 (c) Gloucestershire married James Williams born 1772 (c)1797 in Bristol.  James was a farmer and they lived in Olveston.  Mary already had a daughter Ann Lippiatt Thomas born 1785 Thornbury.  Now the problem who were Mary's parents and who was her first husband?

1785 baptism image for Thornbury parish has
Apr 3 Anne =Lippiatt base dtr of Mary Thomas.

Why do you think Mary was married to a Mr Thomas

[Helina]

I do not know, Rosie.  The baptism I found named Thomas Mapson as the father but could be the step father.  Totally confused with the Thomas family.

"First name Mary  Last name   Thomas     Female    Baptism year   1762  Baptism date   09 Oct 1762  Residence Olveston England  Father`s first name(s)   Mapson  Father`s last name Thomas  other`s first name(s)   Hannah  Mother`s last name"

So I see the father was Mapson Thomas not the other way round.   

[Helina]

So no Mr Thomas, Ann likely was illegitimate.

Thanks for your help Rosie,

helina

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
had a look at that Olveston baptism 9 Oct 1768
Mary Thomas d of Mabson and Hannah Thomas.
Mabson is her father's first name.

It looks like he was baptised at Olveston March 1740 son of Mapson Thomas and his wife Grace
He married at Thornbury to Hannah Chitts 10 April 1763 by licence.He was of Olveston.
They had a daughter Elizabeth 17.4.1764 and Hannah 5.11.1765 as well as Mary

Parents Mapson and Grace Boulton married at Olveston 20.4.1739
A Mapson Thomas  had been buried 21 Feb 1768 at Olveston .

Ciderdrinker

[Helina]

Thank you ciderdrinker, that is a great help and I now can get my head around it.

helina

[casram]

Hi Helina
There is a will of Elizabeth Lippiatt in 1800 in Gloucester Record Office which leaves a legacy to Ann Lippiatt Thomas,
LIPPIATT, Elizabeth - of town & Borough of Thornbury, widow, 27 Dec 1799.
"Rest & residue - after legacies & debts paid - to James ELEY & John GREENWOOD - in trust for Ann Lippiatt Thomas the illegitimate daughter of Mary the wife of James Williams of Olveston in the said county ( late Mary Thomas singlewoman) to be paid when she is 21; interest and dividends for her maintenance and education."
Proved 31 Jul 1800. GRO Ref: 1800/124.

Carolyn
PS Ann Lippiatt Thomas is my husband's 4x great grandmother

[ciderdrinker]

Wow
Marvelous job Carolyn!
How on Earth did you find that?
Brilliant!

I can't see a burial for Elizabeth Lippiatt but from the rest of her Will to her sisters and and nephews and nieces she started life as Elizabeth Taylor.
Sister Sarah married Thomas Tompkins 6 Feb 1758 at Thornbury ,sister Ann married James Eley Feb 1760, and Elizabeth Taylor married William Lippiatt 13 .5.1766.
They married by licence and both signed their names.
Wit Jno Lipiatt and Wm Gwinnett.

It seems William and Elizabeth didn't have any children.
William was buried 3.9.1780 at Thornbury. Age 37 years .So he couldn't be Ann's father.

William was bapt 24.6.1744 born 21st June s of John and Ann Lipiatt

He had two brothers John bapt 17.8.1750 -6.2.1789 aged 39 publican  and Thomas bapt 30.10.1751-29.6.1753 infant  ?

John Lipiatt leaves a Will but no mention of Ann Lipiatt Thomas .He mentions his wife Elizabeth Lipiatt who he married in 4 Dec 1785 also born Lipiatt.
Also his sisters Hannah Taylor and Ann Barnett and their children John Taylor and William Lippiat Barnett.It was 1786. Proven in 1800.

Other family Wills John Lipiatt senior Will of 1777,wife Ann 1785 ,James Taylor husband of Hannah Lippiatt 1808 (they married 13.6.1779),Elizabeth Taylor's sister Mary Greenwood 1805.

John and Ann Lippiatt had the following children -William 24.6.1744 ,Ann 19.4.1747 ,Hannah 5.8.1748 ,John 17.8.1750 and Thomas 30.10.1751.

It looks like Elizabeth Lippiatt nee Taylor was the child of James and Mary Taylor
Their children -Sarah 22.10.1735 ,Ann 9.3.1736,Mary 27.12.1738,Elizabeth 27.3.1741,William 17.4.1743,Jane 18.12.1747.,and possibly James who married Hannah Lipiatt.

It seems that Ann Lippiatt Thomas's father is either the Thomas Lipiatt bapt 1751 at Thornbury or John Lipiatt the publican and his brother bapt 1750 .

Ciderdrinker

[casram]

Many years ago a very helpful person at Gloucester Record Office showed it to me. Never worked out which of the many Lippiatts in and around Thornbury was Anne's father though.

Carolyn