Gill families of Painswick?

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On 21 July 1793 my ancestor Hannah Gill married Benjamin Musty in Painswick, Gloucestershire, England. The witnesses were Charles Gill and Elizabeth Rickett.

On the same page of the Parish register is Dinah Gill marrying William Gardner. Witnessed by Sarah Gill who had married Thomas Wager on 14 May 1788 at Painswick, Gloucestershire, England

Assuming its the same woman Elizabeth Ricketts goes onto marry Charles Gill on 26 Dec 1793 • St Mary's Church, Painswick, Gloucestershire, England

There are baptism for Charles the son of Thomas Gill

There is a baptism for Sarah the daughter of Thomas Gill.

There is a Millennium file on ancestry for Charlotte Gill naming her parents as Thomas Gill and Ann Townsell. The baptism only names Thomas Gill.

There is a baptism for Mary Giil naming Thomas as her father.

There is a baptism for Dinah Gill naming Thomas as her father

All the baptisms were in Painswick.

A Charlotte Gill married John Wager and my family have multiple DNA matches to this line

Assuming I have the right burial record for Hannah Musty her birth year was abt 1770 and burial was 4 Aug 1825 in Painswick, Gloucestershire, England

Can anyone find a baptism for Hannah which would link her to Thomas Gills family?

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On the Forest of Dean Family History website - Marriage Bonds and Licences

There is at Painswick

5 July 1797

John GILL aged 46, Widower, Yeoman of Painswick  (c1751)

Sarah BAYLIS aged 40 Widow

married by Licence

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There are quite a few GILL's listed from various places including

29 November 1690

at Paynswick

John PROWD aged 26, Bachelor of Great Witcombe

Elizabeth GILL, Spinster aged 21, residence Paynswick

married by Licence

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(just in case John GILL cut a few years off his age?)

There is a baptism of a John GILL at Painswick - 3 January 1747, parents: William & Hannah

[Capetown]

The Will of

John GILL 17 March 1821 - Painswick, Hamlet: Sheepscombe

talks about his Grand-daughter Hannah Gill and his natural son Charles GILL alias CLIFFORD - etc etc

Son: William GILL, Grandson John GILL son of William GILL and Hannah GILL, sister of John and also

Mary CLIFFORD (whom he did intend to marry)


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Also on the Forest of Dean Site there is a Licence  19 Jan 1822 (who different copies)

Charles CLIFFORD aged 21, Batchelor, Yeoman of Painswick to Sarah SUMMERS aged 21 of Standish  - to marry at Standish to Sarah SUMMERS - and his address on the other copy is Sheepscomb -

GILL alias CLIFFORD on the Gloucestershire Archives website.
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Baptism at Painswick 24 March 1800, Charles Gill CLIFFORD, mother Mary CLIFFORD (base)

[Capetown]

Ancestry:

Baptism at Painswick, Gloucestershire 22 Mar 1771

Hannah GILL, father: John GILL

Hannah GILL baptised 22 Mar 1772 - father: John

Thos GILL baptised 28 Oct 1778 at Painswick, father: John mother Sarh


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Thomas GILL - 28 Oct 1771 - parents: John & Sarah

[trish1120]

Only one I can find 23 Mar 1772 HANNAH Daug of JOHN Gill

There is also a HANNAH buried 31 Mar 1773, Daug of THO'S

So was another Daug named after her?

Thomas/Ann married 20 Oct 1761 as you know.

Above on FreeREG

Trish

[Capetown]

Checked with the National Archives (held at the Gloucestershire Record Office)

Probate for

John GILL, Painswick, 1809

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This is a burial at Painswick, 2 September 1785

Sarah GILL wife of John


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? Family Search does have a marriage at Cranham Gloucestershire : 17 Sep 1771

to Sarah PERKINS


?  There is a baptism at Painswick 1 Jan 1742 of a Sarah PERKINS, father: Dan and mother Mary

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Hi everyone

Thank you for taking a look at this. Can I get copies of the Wills from the Gloucestershire Office?

Theres a Thomas Gill marrying an Elizabeth Winn in 1797 in Painswick. A Thomas Gill and an Elizabeth having a child baptised in 1796. Is this another case of an old Gill man knocking up someone younger then marrying after the fact? John Gill never married Mary Clifford but a cousin of mine said he named her in his Will that he intended to do that. I dont have any of the Wills.

Theres a family tree on ancestry that has John Gill as the father for Charles Gill Clifford and Patience Gill Clifford.

Is there a slim chance that Hannah wasn't baptised or the record didn't survive? Hannahs age at death could also be wrong.

If Hannah was the daughter of John could Thomas be Johns brother hence the close relationship between the two family lines. Is it usual for a cousin to be a witness at a marriage? I see a lot of siblings and occasionally the parents.

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The Will of John Gill in 1821 on ancestry names his daughter Hannah Musty so thats the proof I need that he is her father. Will written 27 Oct 1820. He died early Nov 1820 and his Will is executed in 1821

As Capetown posted above. The other children with Mary Clifford are mentioned

The DNA provides a linkage between John and Thomas. About 22 matches who descend from Thomas daughter Charlotte

Now to look at how/if the Gills connect