Who might Uncle John Black have been?

[Forfarian]

I have a note that Joy Gertrude Hudson was born at Kirwee, mid Canterbury, on the road to Springfield, Uncle John Black's farm.

Joy was the daughter of Robert Hudson (1886-1960) and Violet Ivy Pratt (1892-1967). Robert's mother was Adalina Mary Black or Hudson, born 1957 in London, died 26 September 1915 in Christchurch, NZ.

I see that a John Black, born 6 May 1889, died in New Zealand in 1986. This would fit with Adalina's cousin John, son of James Black and Margaret Alice Burdes, whose birth was registered in the June quarter of 1889 in Sunderland, England.

For the avoidance of duplication, I have a thread looking for Adalina's husband (Robert's father) George Hudson at https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=646131.0 but this doesn't refer to Uncle John.

How might I find out if the John Black who died in 1986 was indeed the one born in Sunderland, cousin to Adalina?

[TwiggyTree]

This might suggest a connection?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ovv/

EDIT: There are other articles on Paperspast too, with perhaps references to various John BLACKs in the Canterbury region.  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ovx/

[Forfarian]

Thank you!

Yes, that first one is a connection. Not the man I was actually looking for, but his uncle, whom I had also lost track of. Born 1865 in Sunderland, disappeared after 1881.

I'll look through the others but I'm afraid my knowledge of NZ geography will need a bit of work otherwise I won't be able to work out which ones are relevant.

[TwiggyTree]

Here's a start about Kirwee (and Springfield) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirwee

[TwiggyTree]

There is a probate at Christchurch Archives for the John BLACK died 1986 if you want to ask for a look-up (see https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=508522.0). 

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=1933030

Technically you could go through a process of elimination for all the John BLACKs and see if there is a marriage (NZ BDMH website: https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/search?path=%2FqueryEntry.m%3Ftype%3Dmarriages) for which you could ask for an Intention to Marry (ITM) look up OR a marriage PRINTOUT (not certificate) that may get you a little closer.

ITM usually has how long in the district - not necessarily in the country though.
Marriage printout will have names of parents.

[Forfarian]

Thank you.

I have been amusing myself tracking the older one. He married Louisa Meredith in 1890, and they had four of a family. He was prominent in local affairs in Waimate, being involved in various committees and ultimately becoming Mayor of Waimate. In about 1915 he resigned from everything in Waimate and took on a sheep farm in Blenheim. He also set up home with another woman, following which his wife divorced him in 1916. He married the other woman in 1918, after which I again lost track of him. The second wife died in 1959.

Short of sending off for a certificate, is there any way of telling from the death reference where in NZ a birth, death or marriage occurred?

[mckha489]

Interesting probate revealed  in the Christchurch district court 1888 for a John Black Sheriff Substitute of Stornaway
No obvious sign why.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8922-LPX4?i=119&cc=1865481&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQK9V-LZTM

[Forfarian]

Very curious, but not mine, I'm afraid.

[TwiggyTree]

Short of sending off for a certificate, is there any way of telling from the death reference where in NZ a birth, death or marriage occurred?

Not from the online reference at NZ BDMH, but instead from the corresponding Birth or Death (not marriage) on the microfiche copy.  There are a set of indexed booklets that are usually found alongside the microfiche that allow a researcher to look at the microfiche reference numbers and find the registration district.

If you have an idea of the area of death though, look for a cemetery.  Some researchers have a cd of deaths from a national genealogy organisation they can look at too.

For the timeframe you are looking at births for, Paperspast online is useful.