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Cochrane Family, Living in Midlothian, Born Elsewhere?
« on: Friday 24 January 20 18:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone!

I'm currently looking into my fathers maternal side of the family and I've seeming hit a snag.
So far I have James Cochrane born abt 1905, steal moulder, I can't find much information on him, however his marriage certificate listed his dad as Alexander Cochrane, Iron Moulder, and Jane Beattie.
I see them Living in Shettleston, and on the marriage registry for them his father is listed as Robert Cochrane, Blacksmith(diseased) and Catherine Walker, Silk weaver, they lived on Great eastern RD.
Now I need help, I believe I've found Robert Cochrane in a 1841 census and his parents are John Cochrane and Jane Tait or Tate. Both parents are listed as not being born in Scotland. I was thinking likely Ireland but its just a guess.

Anything you guys are able to contribute would be a fantastic help,
Thanks in advance,
I look forward to hearing from you!

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Re: Cochrane Family, Living in Midlothian, Born Elsewhere?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 January 20 18:50 GMT (UK) »
You might want to try over the border into Northumberland. Tait or Tate is a very common name in the north of the county.
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Re: Cochrane Family, Living in Midlothian, Born Elsewhere?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 January 20 18:58 GMT (UK) »
Have you downloaded a copy of Robert Cochrane's death cert to confirm you have the right parents on the 1841 entry? 

Robert and Catherine married 1854 so probably no parental details on the marriage entry

Have you checked the 1851 for John or Jane/Janet Cochrane?  If still alive their birthplaces should be shown

Can you add some birth years and birthplaces for Robert & Alexander & their wives please


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Re: Cochrane Family, Living in Midlothian, Born Elsewhere?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 January 20 19:24 GMT (UK) »
In 1861 Robert Cochrane is shown as b South Leith 1832

1841 for South Leith has a Robert Cochrane aged 10 with parents John & "Jeary" both born Scotland?  John's occ was "Horner"

Which 1841 entry are you referring to?
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Re: Cochrane Family, Living in Midlothian, Born Elsewhere?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 January 20 19:44 GMT (UK) »
yes that is the correct census.
However, if you look at the actual document as opposed to what's been transcribed you see that John and Jean say "NO" on the document when asked if they were born in Scotland

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Re: Cochrane Family, Living in Midlothian, Born Elsewhere?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 January 20 19:49 GMT (UK) »
Robert Cochrane born abt 1831 dies sometime before 1891 as on his sons marriage record Robert listed as Deceased.
Alexander Cochrane 1869 - 1951

I'm really curious to know where Jonn and Jane were from, my guess is Ireland but I've yet to confirm that.

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Re: Cochrane Family, Living in Midlothian, Born Elsewhere?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 January 20 20:30 GMT (UK) »
However, if you look at the actual document as opposed to what's been transcribed you see that John and Jean say "NO" on the document when asked if they were born in Scotland
The question asked in the 1841 census in Scotland was, "Were you born in this county?" Possible answers were
Y - born in this county
N - born in Scotland but not in this county
E - born in England
I - born in Ireland
Probably W - born in Wales though I have never actually seen this
F - foreign born.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Cochrane Family, Living in Midlothian, Born Elsewhere?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 24 January 20 20:45 GMT (UK) »
1841 for South Leith has a Robert Cochrane aged 10 with parents John & "Jeary" both born Scotland? 
Both FreeCEN and the index to the 1841 census at SP list
John, 40; Jean (not Jeary - you must have found a dud transcription), Janet, 14; Robert, 10; James, 5; Matthew, 3; Jean, 1.
The SP index also lists Janet, 30; Margaret, 9; James, 2. This trio are listed in FreeCEN at 39 Abbey Hill.

If Robert's age is accurate he would have been born in 1830 or 1831.
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Re: Cochrane Family, Living in Midlothian, Born Elsewhere?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 24 January 20 20:51 GMT (UK) »
1851 census, 18 East Preston Street: John Cochrane, 49, born Peebles; Jane, 42, born Glasgow; Jane, 11, born Edinburgh; Helen, 9, born Edinburgh; Jane McCulloch, mother-in-law, 78, born Edinburgh.

As recommended above, you should look at the original documents to check the assorted transcriptions. FreeCEN is more reliable than most, but even FreeCEN can contain errors of transcription or interpretation.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.