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re DNa match
« on: Saturday 01 February 20 10:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I'm writing a genealogical story and for the sake of the plot I need to ask a question about DNA.
I have two sisters and their offspring ,a granddaughter and a daughter .
So a first cousin once removed.
Would they immediately appear as a close match on a DNA  testing site or could I get away with the match being lower down the list and initially missed?

After all if the two sisters only pass on 50% of their DNA to their children it doesn't have to be the same bit does it?


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Re: re DNa match
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 February 20 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Use the DNA painter

https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4

it gives you the ranges for each relationship and many overlap so sometimes high or low cM figures can give you lots of wrong relationships.

High figures can make it seem a closer relationship that what it is and low a more distant relationship to what it really is.
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Re: re DNa match
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 February 20 10:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Thank you for getting back to me so quickly.
So I had a quick look and really I need to get the DNA down to less that 100 CM
So not a first cousin once removed but twice or a second cousin.
One extra generation on one side and I'm fine.

Thanks for that

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Re: re DNa match
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 February 20 11:23 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

I have an official 2C 1R on a 105 cm on my matches....if that's any help to figure out where your DNA match stands in your tree.

Regards....Helen

Payne, Woodchester Glos / Kings Norton Worcs.
Luker, Glos.
Davis, Smith, Evans, Lockstone,Latham, Kings Stanley.
Bingham; Stroud, Glos.
Gore: Glos/ Plymouth.
Rodway: Woodchester, Glos. Wanted Henry Rodway born 1849. Missing since 1881.
Morgan: Nettleton Wilts / Stroud Glos.


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Re: re DNa match
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 February 20 12:04 GMT (UK) »
If it helps, I have a cousin who is descended from my great aunt, so we share great grandparents.

He's my 2nd cousin once removed, all the history has been documented, and we've met.

So I am convinced that our relationship is exactly what we think it is. 

However, our shared DNA is only 17cM, and Ancestry suggests that we are probably 5-8th cousins.

If you look at DNA painter, as suggested, the 2nd cousin relationship is possible, but an outlier.
So much so that in fact someone here suggested that there was a Non Parental Event, and that my great grandmother was his ancestor's mother, but my great grandfather was not.

I think it's rather more likely that in the 'shedding' of DNA from generation was more extreme in our case than in others.

He appears miles and miles down my DNA matches on Ancestry.

However if you are writing a story, bear in mind that the Ancestry Thru Lines facility might show up the relative that you are trying to keep a mystery!!

Good luck with the writing  ;D

Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: re DNa match
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 February 20 13:16 GMT (UK) »
WOW
That is really lovely.
For the purpose of the story I need it took look like one of them is not related to the other.
So when an heir to a Will is being looked for it looks like the paper trail is initially wrong .
It turns out one of the sisters has had an affair but there still needs to be a blood relationship between them so their descendants get the cash.

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Re: re DNa match
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 February 20 13:29 GMT (UK) »
I think I can probably speak for my 2nd cousin once removed (very nice man) in saying that if our 17cM relationship helps in your story, you just go ahead!!  ;D
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: re DNa match
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 February 20 11:10 GMT (UK) »
Hello
Thank you.That is so lovely of you

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