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Oakley's from Enfield
« on: Monday 17 February 20 03:58 GMT (UK) »
William Henry Oakley died in Middlesex in October 1896. Three children emigrated around 1897 or 8 the eldest David (1869) and the youngest Harriett Elizabeth (1883) ended up in Kalgoorlie by 1899. The middle sibling Phillip John (1873) married in NZ in 1902 to Alice Dormer.

We think all three siblings went to NZ first and then the oldest and youngest went to Fremantle.

However we have found no trace of the three in the travel records from Aus, NZ or UK scources.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Oakley's from Enfield
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 February 20 05:20 GMT (UK) »
Harriet’s death Australia 1948, 3rd column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article46920639

David’s death Australia 1953, 3rd column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article49220260

I can’t see them entering Australia, either.

There is a David Oakley mentioned WA, in October 1896. 2nd last column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article87852435

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Re: Oakley's from Enfield
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 February 20 06:03 GMT (UK) »
Yes- I have all those, and more - its just the arrivals I am missing.

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Re: Oakley's from Enfield
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 February 20 06:29 GMT (UK) »


"..David (1869) and the youngest Harriett Elizabeth (1883) ended up in Kalgoorlie by 1899...."

Where do you see them in Western Australia at 1899?

Western Australia seems like a long way from New Zealand.


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Re: Oakley's from Enfield
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 February 20 06:32 GMT (UK) »
You may have to consider purchasing a death printout for:

1959/27599   Oakley   Philip John        91Y

[Although if the correct person, the age does not fit.]

Here is what you can expect to find on such a document:

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/death


However you should keep in mind that the information is only as reliable as the knowledge of the person providing the details.  :)


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Oakley's from Enfield
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 February 20 06:37 GMT (UK) »


"..David (1869) and the youngest Harriett Elizabeth (1883) ended up in Kalgoorlie by 1899...."

Where do you see them in Western Australia at 1899?

Western Australia seems like a long way from New Zealand.

Wivenhoe, he married in 1900:

Oakley David to Davies Elizabeth Jane 564 1900

A birth in 1901: Oakley Eric Henri parents David and Davies Elizabeth Jane Kanowna 1694 1901

I have found others, in the past, who travelled NZ to WA for mining work/ gold fields.

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Re: Oakley's from Enfield
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 February 20 06:44 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I wondered about that, also, Minniehaha.

There is the arrival to NZ, on PaperPast, 1884, of a David, Philip and Ellen. So, I wonder how the OP has linked NZ Phillip John to the AU pair. Scroll down to heading English Shipping: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZMAIL18840530.2.65?items_per_page=100&phrase=2&query=Phillip+Oakley&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA

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Re: Oakley's from Enfield
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 February 20 06:59 GMT (UK) »
I too, had just located that shipping arrival. I will put up my link also as the item is much shorter, making it quicker to find the Oakley names.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18840522.2.5?phrase=2&query=philip+oakley&snippet=true


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Oakley's from Enfield
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 February 20 07:28 GMT (UK) »
David, May 1897, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article216694802

David, 1899, 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201930368

William Henry Oakley died in Middlesex in October 1896.

I assume the assumption here is that David left after his father’s death. His father died in October and David is in WA by 21 October 1896. Therefore, I’d suggest that they came to Australia first, or, they left UK prior to their father’s death.


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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams