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METCALFE, Alice Maud
« on: Wednesday 19 February 20 11:51 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
I'm looking for more details of an Alice Maud METCALFE, born about 1897, who married a Samuel Raven GALE in Glasgow in 1917.
She was a 20 year-old professional dancer; he was a 47 year-old "horse breaker", and a musical hall variety artiste.
Her parents were recorded on the marriage certificate as George METCALFE and Mary LAZENBY.
I don't know whether Alice Maud METCALF was Scottish or not. Samuel GALE was from Bradford and toured music halls all over the UK.
I haven't been able to find any other trace of her, or her parents.
Any help would be most appreciated.
Thanks,
John
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Re: METCALFE, Alice Maud
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 11:54 GMT (UK) »
If you don’t know where she was born - have you looked for a birth for her on Scotlands People or on www.freebmd.org.uk?

Have you looked for her parents marriage on either of those sites?

Have you looked for her on the English and Scottish 1901 & 1911 censuses?
www.familysearch.org (English census only)

Have you tried the Irish 1901 & 1911 censuses

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Re: METCALFE, Alice Maud
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 12:00 GMT (UK) »
I've looked for births, marriages (her parents, and any subsequent marriage she might've had), divorces, deaths, censuses (England & Wales, Scotland and Ireland), 1939 Register, etc., on FreeBMD, GRO, ScotlandsPeople, Ancestry, FindMyPast, IrishGenealogy, FamilySearch, GenesReunited, MyHeritage, etc.

I've also tried looking using alternate spellings, i.e., METCALF and Maude.

None of the ones that might fit prove to match a LAZENBY mother.

I'm just hoping someone researching METCALFEs might know of a LAZENBY link in the right timeframe.

Her husband (wasn't a widower - at least I can find no other legal marriage for him), He was a liar, cheat, con-man, an animal abuser, and a fraud who used multiple different aliases including CODY (he claimed to be the son of Buffalo BILL, despite coming from Bradford!), so she might have used another name, but I have looked for her under CODY.

PS:

He shot and wounded one assistant ("wife") on stage in 1899. Accidentally shot and killed another stage assistant in 1909, and shot himself "accidentally" in the foot the day before World War 1 began in 1914.
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Re: METCALFE, Alice Maud
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 12:05 GMT (UK) »
Have you already discounted the 1900 birth on Scotlands People?

EDIT

Ignore - 1901 shows different parents
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Re: METCALFE, Alice Maud
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 12:08 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I believe her mother was a COOPER.

Have you already discounted the 1900 birth on Scotlands People?

EDIT

Ignore - 1901 shows different parents
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Re: METCALFE, Alice Maud
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 18:46 GMT (UK) »
Depending on whether she was born in England there is this possible scenario

Mary Lazenby marries John Smith
John dies
Mary Smith marries George Metcalfe
Children born to the Metcalfe marriage will show mothers maiden name (correctly) as Lazenby

However - using GRO online shows no Metcalf/e birth with mmn Lazenby
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Re: METCALFE, Alice Maud
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 18:56 GMT (UK) »
You're correct, of course, but I've searched the GRO with mother's maiden name of LAZENBY.
Unfortunately, the GRO doesn't allow for wildcards to be used, e.g., in the Surnname, and FindMyPast's birth records showing mother's maiden name is incomplete.
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Re: METCALFE, Alice Maud
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 20:08 GMT (UK) »
The GRO maiden name search allows the option of phonetically similar or similar sounding variations of all names entered.  I’ve tried both options but still nothing ???
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