The origins of Joseph NEVILLE (Harefield, Middx or Rickmansworth, Herts).

[nong43]

Hello,

This is a long shot and I may be barking up completely the wrong tree here, but I have to start somewhere...

My ancestor Joseph NEVILLE married Elizabeth WOODS in Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire, in 1809. Their three children, Mary Ann (my ancestor), William and Ann were also baptised in Rickmansworth (in 1811, 1813 and 1815), but Mary Ann and Ann married in Harefield, Middlesex. (I cannot as yet find a marriage for William, but someone of that name was sentenced to be transported to Australia in 1837, which may be why I can't find one).

FindMyPast (I don't have a subscription) doesn't seem to have a baptism for a Joseph Neville (I'm searching the twenty years either side of 1785) in Hertfordshire, so I'm wondering if there is some kind of family link to Harefield (it seems that Ann, their youngest, was born in Middlesex). If he was from Middlesex, however, I can't seem to find a baptism. Is there something I might be overlooking or somewhere else I can search?

Martin

[[Ray]]

Hi     


Don't forget that Rickmansworth/Harefield, and the local area, cross Middx/Herts/Bucks. So, you may need to widen the geographical area(s).     

Other "major towns" to include are Watford Uxbridge even St Albans?     
Suggest a brief look at the maps?     


Ray

[nong43]

Hi Ray

I've tried searching further afield, but haven't found any Joseph Nevilles who seem plausible. One possible line of enquiry might be the witnesses to Mary Ann's first wedding to the ill-fated William Jones (without whose death I wouldn't be here), Sarah Woods and Mary "Nevells" [sic]. I don't think it's unreasonable to hypothesise that this Mary might be either Joseph's sister or sister-in-law; if it's the latter, then if I can find a wedding, I'd then have the name of a hypothetical brother who I can search for.

Martin

[rosie99]

Where and when did Joseph die

[Milliepede]

There's one bap Barking Essex 6 Mar 1778 with parents Henry and Elizabeth - did your Joseph die in 1840?

Do you know his occupation from the daughters marriages?

[nong43]

Where and when did Joseph die

Unfortunately, that's one of the things I'm having trouble finding out.

There's one bap Barking Essex 6 Mar 1778 with parents Henry and Elizabeth - did your Joseph die in 1840?

Do you know his occupation from the daughters marriages?

I don't at present know when or where he died, unfortunately. Plus, his daughters both married in 1835, so just slightly too early to be part of general registration.

[nong43]

Just received Joseph and Elizabeth’s marriage record from Hertfordshire archives, but unfortunately it doesn’t really tell me much more than I already suspected... 

[rosie99]

Joseph & Elizabeths marriage entry image is on FindMyPast but only indicates they were both of the parish and were bachelor/spinster. 

Have you established who the witnesses were, they don't appear to be regular church witnesses - Thomas Allen & Elizabeth Gristwood.

[nong43]

Have you established who the witnesses were, they don't appear to be regular church witnesses - Thomas Allen & Elizabeth Gristwood.

I thought I'd have a look at Elizabeth Gristwood first, given that it doesn't seem to be a very common name. If she was from Rickmansworth, she's the only Elizabeth Gristwood I can find, born in 1785 to John Gristwood and Ann Montague.

It's occurred to me that Joseph Neville may have been a Catholic, as many Nevilles were; it could be one reason why I can't seem to find a plausible baptism (unless there are huge gaps in the records, it seems that despite being "of this parish" at the time he got married, he wasn't baptised in Hertfordshire).

I have no idea where to find the Catholic baptism registers, though.