King (surname) family ancestry + help find their family crest -- Devon England

[FamilySearcher2020]

hello

thank you in advance

if you can provide any help at all

any and all help is for sure appreciated

thank you

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my possible King (surname) ancestry was at least from South Carolina, and possibly Georgia,

and maybe even as far back as Devon England, possibly from Alnwick Castle,

or Castle Alnwick, Devon, England

or Dodebrook, Devon / Devonshire, England

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anyways

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my 5th Great Grandmother is Rebecca King, 1st wife of Ephraim Malone Johnson.

https://www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/rebecca-king-24-4d7x4
https://www.geni.com/people/Rebecca-Johnson/6000000032315076907

their son, Abraham Malone Johnson, and his wife Thankful Whiteside Johnson,
founded the community of St. Elmo in Chattanooga Tennessee

(they are my 4th Great Grandparents on my Grandfather's (my Mom's Father) Johnson side


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/7367797/abraham-malone-johnson


so she was part of the Johnson family South Carolina,

(maybe she married Ephraim in South Carolina?)

and later of the Johnson family of Chattanooga Tennessee
(or maybe a past (gone from this earth) member of that family by then)

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anyways

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Rebecca King was born in Pendleton, Oconee, South Carolina, USA on 21 NOV 1806
to Robert King and Frances Tilly.

Rebecca King married Ephraim Malone Johnson and had 7 children.

She passed away on 9 Apr 1837 in Gainesville, Hall, Georgia, USA.

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I was able to trace back all the way to a Henry de Percy Kynge

http://www.thekingealogy.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=I44843&tree=tree1

(\/ is this him too? \/)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Percy,_1st_Earl_of_Northumberland

(/\ is this him too? /\)

but I have no idea if it is right

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and these are two crests for the devon king family possibly
but which one is mine?

( images via coadb.com )

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https://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=155524&name=King

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https://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=155550&name=King

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also here is more names
(I don't know if it is my ancestors or just family connections to the older "Kynge" line)

https://www.myheritage.com/names/john_percy%20northumberland%20kynge
https://www.geni.com/people/Sir-John-Kinge/6000000001588458136
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kynge-5

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my last name / surname is Harris, not King, just to let you know

and I am from the state of North Carolina United States of America

and the King surname is from my Grandfather on my Mother's side

so she is my 5th Great Grandmother

my Mother's 4th Great Grandmother

and my Grandfather's 3rd Great Grandmother

and so on and so on

[KGarrad]

and these are two crests for the devon king family possibly
but which one is mine?

( images via coadb.com )

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https://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=155524&name=King

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https://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=155550&name=King

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None of them!

For you to claim, and use, a coat-of-arms you have to prove an unbroken line of descent from the original armiger.

That is, the person (not family) who was granted the arms.

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat

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my possible King (surname) ancestry was at least from South Carolina, and possibly Georgia,

and maybe even as far back as Devon England, possibly from Alnwick Castle,

or Castle Alnwick, Devon, England

or Dodebrook, Devon / Devonshire, England

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Alnwick Castle is in Northumberland which is the other end of England to Devon.

Are you working from your own research on this family or just taking your information from online trees /books

[FamilySearcher2020]

some of my own research

and some from online

honestly I just was curious who
Ephraim Malone Johnson's
1st Wife / my 5th great grandmother who was she

and I saw she was a King (surname) and I was like aw cool!

I gotta try and trace this line!

[FamilySearcher2020]

and these are two crests for the devon king family possibly
but which one is mine?

( images via coadb.com )

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https://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=155524&name=King

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https://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=155550&name=King

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None of them!

For you to claim, and use, a coat-of-arms you have to prove an unbroken line of descent from the original armiger.

That is, the person (not family) who was granted the arms.

I dont understand what you said?

but if it's a direct line of ancestry don't I stake some claim to which crest represents my (past) family?

[emeltom]

You have to be able to prove that it is a direct line of ancestry. Saying you are from the family is not enough.

Emeltom

[KGarrad]

Also, it should be a paper trail
A documented line of descent.

[AdrianB38]

There is no such thing as a family crest in English heraldry. Arms are granted to a person and belong only to that person, until their death. At that point they may be inherited by the eldest son (will be? may be? not sure). No-one else is entitled to carry them - except that the other sons of the arms-bearer may carry their father's arms but with what is termed a difference - something like a bar across the shield. If I understand correctly, however, those differenced arms cannot be inheritted. Naturally, lots of younger sons did something to persuade the College of Arms to grant them arms but again, those arms will be held in their own right.

The situation is different under other systems - Scotland, for instance, does have the concept of a genuine family crest for particular clans. The crest (but only the crest, not the full set) can be displayed by anyone with the matching surname.

[athel_cb]

Everything said in the post right before this one is quite correct, as far as I can tell.

However, to be fair to FamilySearcher2020, confusion about coats of arms has always been very widespread, in England as much as in the USA. My father attached a fictitious coat of arms to his documents, but I don't do that. It was also used by relatives with no more right to it that we had. (Assuming it's still there, you can see it on the sign of the Avonwick Inn.) However, when my father's second cousin became High Sheriff of Devon he needed a legitimate one, which was duly granted. It has some similarities, but is by no means the same, and as I'm not descended from the cousin in question I would have no right to use it.

Another point is that a great many people (including FamilySearcher2020) say "crest" when they mean coat of arms. For the coats of arms shown the crest is just the bit at the very top -- the black animal head in one case and the white swan in the other?