Can't find definitive birth record.

[aggiebagwash]

There's a John Hall Boyd born in the 2nd quarter 1891 in Newcastle upon Tyne but he's still there in 1939 so I eliminated him.

I looked at all birth's for John Boyd between 1888 and 1894 and eliminated them one by one and still ended up with the one in Manchester with parents John and Sarah Elizabeth.

[Ladyhawk]

Unfortunately No date of birth given on his burial or Ellen's

John Boyd death 30 Jun 1970
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156003672/john-boyd

Ellen Winifred Boyd death 30 Oct 1979
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/149772251

Ellen Winifred BOYD Born 19 4 1897
Dec 1979 Manchester 38 1032

[aggiebagwash]

The Seaman's Register states that he signed on for 12 years in March 1910 but the right column says he had told a false statement on entry. Wonder if they kicked him out and what for?

[aggiebagwash]

Looking at the National Archives seaman's records throws up 2 records for John Boyd in Manchester one born 23rd September 1891 and the other also on Ancestry for 22nd May 1891 so the plot thickens. Someone was lying but who? Or is that the reason the record states he made a false statement.  Did he give the wrong date of birth,  first his correct one and then the made up one.

It's so frustrating that there are pages missing from his records.

[Dundee]

What did he give as his his father's name and occupation when he married?  Witnesses?

Debra 

[aggiebagwash]

I'm still waiting for the certificate to arrive.

Margaret

[Ladyhawk]

Looking at the National Archives seaman's records throws up 2 records for
John Boyd in Manchester one
born 23rd September 1891 and the other also on Ancestry for
22nd May 1891 so the plot thickens.

Have you checked 1939 Register for John born dob 23 9 1891 he has a wife.

On his seaman’s record his occupation fitter & turner

Found this record no date of birth given

John Boyd 20 prisoner admitted 27 Nov 1911 in Cork Ireland for stealing goods
Ht 5 6, brown hair & Eyes , complexion fresh occ soldier
Tattoo  heart & flower ? Left forearm pierced heart . Death before dishonour back left wrist
Mother named as Mary , address Hamilton Street Manchester

[aggiebagwash]

Wow thank you so much. I'll see what I can find from that record.

Margaret

[aggiebagwash]

I found him in Fermoy Barracks  hospital, Cork  on the 1911 Irish Census. The record states he's 19 and born in England and he's RC.

I spent hours yesterday looking for Mary in 1911 and couldn't find her in Manchester or surrounding areas. I then searched the 1901 census for both of them and found nothing after searching all over the country.

John is so specific on the prison record giving his mother's name and  address so where the heck is she in 1911 and 1901 The mystery deepens.