herbert smith

[CaroleW]

Ethel Smith b 28.6.1921 died 1977 Lincolnshire.  Look up the 1939 entry for Ethel Maxted using that birthdate

[cottard]

yes i got ethel birth year wrong had it mixed up with the year they got married

also on the 1901 census herbert is 5 years old stating josiah and sarah are his parents siblings are John W Smith
Frederick Smith
Sarah M Smith
Isiah Smith


too many smith with same first names gives you  a headache lol

[tazzie]

Need to look at...

 Tom Smith b 1856 married Syberina Smith b 1835.

 Syberina Smith was baptised 1 October 1838 to  JAMES SMITH & LILBURN SMITH.

 So need to check dates on Tom b 1856 to determine parents.

Tazzie

[CaroleW]

Re Ethel Maxted.  The marriage was 1949 by which time she was 28 & he was 55 which is a 27yr age difference hence my reply above.

At the moment - I am not entirely convinced you have the right marriage which is why I asked if you had the 1949 marriage cert which should confirm their respective ages. 

EDIT

Earlier post on this family - request made to merge posts

[cottard]

Re Ethel Maxted.  The marriage was 1949 by which time she was 28 & he was 55 which is a 27yr age difference hence my reply above.

At the moment - I am not entirely convinced you have the right marriage which is why I asked if you had the 1949 marriage cert which should confirm their respective ages.

i dont have a marriage cert at all its what has been told to me over the years they both died before i was born.on his gravestone says died 27 june 1964 age 67.

[CaroleW]

Your previous post has now been merged with todays post for continuity

You don't appear to have obtained any supporting documentation to enable you to determine Herbert's birthplace or his parentage.  You don't have a copy of his 1919 marriage to Hilda Earl or his 1949 marriage to Ethel Maxted to confirm his fathers name or occupation but say it was Josiah.

The 1939 entry gives his full birthdate & that of Hilda.  There is no Herbert Ernest Smith birth matching that birthdate apart from the one in West Ham given in an earlier reply

There are only 2 births for a Herbert Smith in Lincolnshire in 1894  both of which have different second names.

Looking back at Hilda Earl & Ethel Maxted - neither appear to have Traveller connections although that in itself is not a deciding factor. 

With a surname like Smith you really need to dot all the i's etc so I would strongly recommend you purchase one of those marriage certs to confirm his father was Josiah

[cottard]

thanks for all of the replys and help guys will be looking for some certs and pin herbert down. 

[jonw65]

Josiah Smith, was he more often Isaiah?

Only death I found in Lincoln
Sep 1915 7a 506
Smith, Isaiah   
age 56   

Buried at Lincoln Cemetery(?), 18 Aug 1915
of (19) Latham Place (St Nicholas)

Two records of that on FreeReg
https://www.freereg.org.uk/

They also have the baptism of Herbert at St Nicholas and St John, 18 May 1895
Parents Isaiah + Sarah Smith
father a Hawker
Born 9 May 1895

As per birth registration that Rosie found

SMITH, HERBERT       mmn WILSON 
1895  June Quarter in LINCOLN  Volume 07A  Page 544

A quote from me!

If the info on Find a Grave is correct(?), Herbert was previously married to Hilda Earl (which was in 1919, as plain Herbert)
That couple seem to be together in Lincoln on the 1939 Register.
Free index has Herbert Smith born 1894, at 103 Goldsmith Walk.

Question for cottard
What is the exact date of birth given for Herbert, day/month?
John

[cottard]

Josiah Smith, was he more often Isaiah?

Only death I found in Lincoln
Sep 1915 7a 506
Smith, Isaiah   
age 56   

Buried at Lincoln Cemetery(?), 18 Aug 1915
of (19) Latham Place (St Nicholas)

Two records of that on FreeReg
https://www.freereg.org.uk/

They also have the baptism of Herbert at St Nicholas and St John, 18 May 1895
Parents Isaiah + Sarah Smith
father a Hawker
Born 9 May 1895

As per birth registration that Rosie found

SMITH, HERBERT       mmn WILSON 
1895  June Quarter in LINCOLN  Volume 07A  Page 544

A quote from me!

If the info on Find a Grave is correct(?), Herbert was previously married to Hilda Earl (which was in 1919, as plain Herbert)
That couple seem to be together in Lincoln on the 1939 Register.
Free index has Herbert Smith born 1894, at 103 Goldsmith Walk.

Question for cottard
What is the exact date of birth given for Herbert, day/month?
John

herbert was born 9 may 1895 from doing abit for digging around his dad is like you said john know as Josiah but more    Isaiah  ,which i believe are the same name but different spellings.