William Jones weaver, Penmachno

[Glynm]

I know very little about Henry. There is a record for his son’s baptism John Jones, my 2x Grandfather in Penmachno.
16/11/1798 John son of William Jones Weaver and Ellinor
The only other information I can find is that there is a gravestone for Elinor in St Tudclud’s church Penmachno.
Er cof am Ellinor, gwraig Wm. Jones Weaver, Llan a fu farw Mai 19 1842 oed 84.
Elinor wife of William Jones Weaver died 19 May 1842 aged 84. She lived in Llan which in this case I take to be the village of Penmmachno surrounding the church.
The following could have no bearing but I include it just in case- Googling “William Jones Weaver” provides a link to “Pattern book of William Jones weaver, from Holt, 1775-1782”
I have been unable to find Elinor in the 1841 Census but would be grateful for any help.
Glyn

[Milliepede]

She lived in Llan which in this case I take to be the village of Penmmachno surrounding the church.

Is that a place Llan or short for something?

There are a few Ellinor/Eleanor Jones aged 80 in the 1841 census - is Llanbeblig close?

[Glynm]

Hi Milliepede

Llan is usually associated with a village which has a church. In many cases the village name is a combination of "Llan" and the name of a saint who might have established the church e.g. Llangollen. The name Penmachno means head of the valley Machno however according to Wikipedia the village has been refered to as  Llandudclyd and Llan dutchyd in historical sources thus referencing Saint Tudclud to whom the church is dedicated. I believe the locals refered to the village area as Llan for short. In 1850 my2xG Grandparents were married in the church Abel Jones' residence was Llan whereas Elizabeth Roberts residence was Henrhiw Uchaf the name of her parents farm.
Llanbeblig is part of Caernarvon whereas Penmachno is in a valley near Betws y coed.

Glyn

[Milliepede]

Thanks for that, it helps to understand Welsh place names which I do find confusing.

[Glynm]

A possible break through. I have found this record of a marriage between a William Jones and Ellinor Thomas in Llanrwst Parish Church 10/12/1788.

Banns of Marriage between William Jones & Ellinor Thomas were legally published in this Church
William Jones of the Parish of CerrigyDruidian Bachelor and Ellinor Thomas of this Parish Spinster
Were married in this Church by Banns this Tenth day of December in the Year One Thousand severn hundred & eighty eight by me Thomas Davies Curate
In the presence of David Jones/ William Roberts
Note. Ellinor’s surname was written as Williams which was struck out and replaced with Thomas.
Although Llanrwst is in the adjoining county of Denbighshire it later became the administrative center for records such as the Census for Penmachno.
Glyn

[Jo Harding]

You may find the information in Genuki, Penmachno, helpful regarding this query.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Penmachno

You will see that there were many non conformist chapels in Penmachno. This could be the reason why you have failed to find details for your ancestors. The records of the non conformist chapels tended not to survive, even if they existed in the first place. I have tried to search Freereg to see if I can find anything for them but have failed to do so.

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

You show one of the witnesses at their marriage to be David Jones. I presume he would be a relation of William Jones.

Jo

[Glynm]

Hi Jo
Ellinor’s gravestone indicates she was 84 years old when she died in 1842 giving a birth year of 1758. Assuming she could of married when she was 16byears old the earliest date the marriage date would be 1774 and latest would be 1798 the year of her son’s birth. During this period the 1753 Hardwicke Marriage Act would be in force meaning for any marriage to be legal it had to take place in the parish church. I believe the act was repealed by the 1823 Marriage Act.
My problems finding a marriage record in Penmachno is mainly due to the early parish records for Penmachno are not on line unlike the Llanrwst ones. At the moment I am still drawn to the 1788 record although again Cerrigydrudian is not on line. Denbighshire FHS has the registers for sale. If I believe the 1788 record is the right one I might consider investing in a purchase.
Thank you for taking an interest in my query.
Glyn