White Hart Pub Woodford, family Gould family Radley

[dutch missmarple]

Hi All,

Can anyone tell me who was the publican or owner of the White Hart Pub in Woodford.
I'm looking for the Gould and Radley family.
This should be about 1830 to 1890-ish ?

Where can I find this information ?

Kind regards
Dutch MissMarple

[cuffie81]

The following looks like a decent starter for ten...

White Hart, High Road, Woodford Bridge
https://pubwiki.co.uk/EssexPubs/WoodfordBridge/whartwb.shtml

I expect there's probably some newspaper references for the various landlords. Was there any people in particular you're looking for?

[dutch missmarple]

hi Cuffie81

thanks. it's a start.
looking for info about when exactly the Gould's and the radley's were in charge of the White Hart.
what does Pigot's, White's and Kelly's mean?

DMM

[cuffie81]

Pigot's, White's and Kelly's are directories listing people and business by location.

Ancestry and FindMyPast hold some of these directories and you'll probably be able to find some freely available online. They typically don't have much info other the name of the person and business, and address.

Pigot's Directory - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigot%27s_Directory

White's Directories - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White%27s_Directories

Kelly's Directory - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly%27s_Directory


I'm having quick search through newspapers, it's looking like there's quite a few references to the families. I'll post some summaries in a bit.

[cuffie81]

There wasn't quite as many newspaper items as I thought there might be. They add a bit of interest to the families but don't help much in the way of clarifying the relationships between the Radleys and Goulds.

Essex Standard
19 Nov 1831
Ilford Petty Sessions
Saturday, Nov 12
- John Gould
- landlord of White Hart Inn, Woodford Bridge
- appeared to answer information of Robert Johnson, constable of the parish
- who stated that on Sat. 22 Oct, he went a few minutes past 11 o'clock at night
- to the tap room of the White Hart Inn
- where several people were drinking
- several were tipsy
- Johnson told landlady to clear bar told her not to supply any more liquor
- landlady continued to serve them gin
- Several local residents gave White Hart good character
- first complaint against landlord
- Gould fined 10s


Essex Herald
25 Oct 1836
Destructive Fire At Woodford Bridge
- Serious fire broke out at ladies boarding school at Woodford Bridge, known as Belle Vue Academy
- Witnesses included:
- Mr Radley
- landlord of the White Hart Inn
- first neighbour on the spot after outbreak of flames
- stated he told Crookland [fireman] that the found Mr Balls [husband of founder of academy] lying on lawn, having a fit
- Exertions of villagers most praiseworthy
- Mr Radley leading the way in attack, by cutting a flight of stairs


Essex Herald
01 Nov 1836
The Fire At Woodford Bridge
- Fire destroyed old mansion of Bellevue-house
- Insurers not satisfied with explanation of fires cause
- Orders given to dig up ruins and search them for traces of furniture, clothes, trinkets
- Examination of witnesses at White Hart Inn, Woodford-bridge, included:
- Mr Radley
- blacksmith and landlord of the White Hart Inn
- stated he was first on premises after discovery of fire


Essex Herald
16 Apr 1839
Assaulting A Constable
- William Harris and William Fountain
- Harris charged with assaulting constable
- Fountain charged with attempting to rescue Harris while he was in custody
- Witness George Radley
- called on to clear his brother's house, the White Hart, at Woodford Bridge,
- of some disorderly characters
- whilst doing so Harris struck and kicked him
- Radley took Harris into custody
- Fountain endeavoured to rescue him
- Witness Thomas Radley
- landlord of the White Hart Inn
- stated on Easter Monday he accommodated some customers by allowing them
- to have a dance in his parlour,
- when defendants obtruded themselves into the room
- defendants created considerable disturbance and assaulted Thomas Radley, and others
- Harris admitted striking the constable
- convicted and fined £5 or 2 months imprisonment
- Fountain fined 10s and expenses, totalling 18s.


Chelmsford Chronicle
20 May 1853
Deficient Weights And Measures
Thomas Radley, Woodford, 7 quarts, 20s.


Essex Standard
03 Mar 1869
Deaths
Radley - Feb 17th, at Woodford Brdige, aged 77, Mr Thomas Radley, of the White Hart Inn.


Chelmsford Chronicle
16 Jan 1880
Woodford - Assault
- Stratford Petty Sessions, Monday
- Richard Debney, 19, labourer, of West Ham Lane, Stratford
- charged with assaulting John Gould
- at White Hart, Woodford Bridge
- Prosecutor state on previous evening he was at father's premises, the White Hart public-house
- when prisoner and several others drove up
- stated they were travellers and asked to be served
- Gould admitted them and they had refreshments
- they went into taproom and broke a glass
- leaving without offering to pay
- Gould stopped them leaving and refused them leave until they paid for the glass
- one of them paid and Gould let them leave
- they then started abusing Gould and Debney struck him
- Gould struck Debney in self-defence
- Debney fined 5s or 7 days imprisonment

[cuffie81]

I suspect George Gould, the landlord in the 1870s, was probably the son of John Gould, the landlord in the 1830s.

There's a few references to George's full name being George Handy Gould, who was baptised at Woodford in 1834, the son of John and Mary Ann.

I think that John may have died in 1834 and that his widow may have had a child with Thomas Radley, the landlord in the 1840-1860s. The child being Mary Anne, born c1837, who is with Thomas on the 1851 and 1861 censuses, and later married Charles Reason in 1869, in Shoreditch.

I couldn't find any likely looking marriage for Thomas Radley and there's curious phrase on Thomas' probate entry, "a bachelor deceased". And yet he's listed on censuses as being a widower.

A few records that may help support those ideas.

GRO references:
1869 Q1 Death: Thomas Radley; age 77 (born c1792); West Ham; 04A; 42
1881 Q2 Death: George Handy Gould; age 46 (born c1835); West Ham; 04A; 81
1913 Q3 Death: Esther Gould; age 81 (born c1832); West Ham; 04A; 343
1869 Q3 Marriage: Charles Reason & Mary Ann Radley; Shoreditch; 1c; 394


Baptisms - St Mary the Virgin, Chigwell
05 Feb 1797 - Thomas Radley; parents David & Elizabeth

Baptisms - St Mary the Virgin, Woodford
02 Nov 1834 - George Handy Gould; parents John & Mary Ann; Woodford Bridge; Victualler
13 Nov 1836 - Mary Anne Radley; parents Thomas & Mary Anne; Woodford Bridge; Victualler

Burials - St Mary the Virgin, Woodford
05 Aug 1834 - John Gould; age 58; Woodford Bridge
29 Jan 1837 - Mary Anne Radley; age 35; Woodford Bridge

Burials - St Paul, Woodford
28 Feb 1869 - Thomas Radley; age 77; Woodford Bridge
11 May 1881 - George Handy Gould; age 46; Woodford Bridge
24 Jul 1913 - Esther Gould; age 81; 1 Hinchley's [?] Cottages

Marriage:
married: 26 Sep 1869; St Leonard, Shoreditch; banns
groom: Charles Reason; 30; bach; Bricklayer; 9 Boundary St
bride: Mary Ann Radley; 33; spin; -; 9 Boundary St
grooms father: Alfred Reason; bricklayer
brides father: Thomas Radley; licensed victualler
witnesses: Henry Wilton, Ann Elizabeth Cooper

Probate entry:
Thomas Radley
died 17 Feb 1869 at "White Hart", Woodford Bridge, Essex
late of "White Hart" Tavern, Woodford Bridge, Essex
Licensed Victualler
a bachelor deceased
Admin 12 Jul 1869 Principal Registry
to George Handy Gould, licensed victualler, of "White Hart"
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=radley&yearOfDeath=1869&page=5#calendar

Probate entry:
George Gould
died 25 April 1881 at Woodford Bridge, Essex
late of Woodford Bridge, Essex
Licensed Victualler
Probate 10 May 1881 Principal Registry
proved by Esther Gould, of Woodford Bridge, widow the relict
and Mary Ann Herring (wife of Edward Herring) of 2 Mornington-road Wanstead, Essex; daughter
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=gould&yearOfDeath=1881&page=2#calendar


If I'm right, there's a possible marriage between a John Gould and Mary Ann Lapworth, at Barking in 1825, which may be the same couple.

Marriage:
married: 15 Feb 1825; St Margaret, Barking; banns
groom: John Gould; bach; otp
bride: Mary Ann Lapworth (x); spin; otp
witnesses: John Nichols, Ann Moore

Baptisms - St Margaret, Barking
22 Apr 1825 - Sarah Gould; parents John & Mary Ann; Ilford; Farmer
08 Sep 1826 - John Gould; parents John & Mary Ann; Ilford; Farmer

[dutch missmarple]

hi cuffie81,

wow that's a lot of information. Thank you very much.
Looks very promising, so I can look into that a little bit more.
Just one more question:
I have a copy of the 1851 census and Robert and George Gould are living with Thomas Radley at White Hart. But they are stated as being Son in Law. Now, that's not possible I think. Shouldn't that be stepson ?
And who is Charlotte Radley census 1841, also living at White Hart?

Oops, that's 2 questions

DMM

[cuffie81]

There is a slight wrinkle with my theory. The John Gould who was buried in Woodford in 1834 was buried on 05 Aug, and George Handy Gould was baptised on 02 Nov 1834. There's no note on the baptism to indicate the father John was dead. The two Johns could be the same person but it's difficult to say for sure. If we could find a will for the John who died in 1834 it may help.

I have a copy of the 1851 census and Robert and George Gould are living with Thomas Radley at White Hart. But they are stated as being Son in Law. Now, that's not possible I think. Shouldn't that be stepson ?

I suspect Robert and George are stepsons of Thomas, rather than son-in-laws; they are both listed as unmarried and it's not too unusual for the relationships on censuses to be not quite exact. Obviously, without a marriage for Thomas, I'm making a few assumptions.

I think Robert and George are siblings. Robert appears to be Robert Snow Gould and he died in 1865. If you could trace back the parents John and Mary Ann you may be able to figure out where the middle names Snow and Handy come from and be more sure that they are siblings.

GRO reference:
1865 Q1 Death: Robert Snow Gould; age 35 (born c1830); West Ham; 04A; 41

Baptisms - St Mary, Islington
22 Mar 1829 - Robert Snow Gould; parents: John & Mary Ann; White Conduit Terrace; Gentm; born 21 Feb 1829

Burials - St Paul, Woodford
26 Mar 1865 - Robert Snow Gould; age 35; Woodford Bridge

[cuffie81]

And who is Charlotte Radley census 1841, also living at White Hart?

I think Charlotte is probably Thomas' niece. She's probably the daughter of Stephen & Sarah, baptised at Woodford in 1820. And I think Stephen is probably Thomas' brother.

Stephen appears to have died in 1834 and wife Sarah can be found in Woodford with the children on the censuses 1841-1871.

As an aside, I can't find a marriage for Stephen and Sarah. It seems to be a common trait in these families.

Baptisms - St Mary the Virgin, Chigwell
30 Mar 1794 - Stephen Radley; parents: David & Elizabeth; Chigwell
05 Feb 1797 - Thomas Radley; parents: David & Elizabeth; Chigwell
09 Feb 1799 - Jeremiah Radley; parents: David & Elizabeth; Chigwell

Baptisms - St Mary the Virgin, Woodford
18 Dec 1803 - George Radley; parents: David & Elizabeth; Woodford
20 Oct 1805 - George Radley; parents: David & Elizabeth; Woodford

20 Oct 1816 - Sarah Radley; parents: Stephen & Sarah; Woodford Bridge; Blacksmith; note: In the church of Wanstead
19 Apr 1818 - Elizabeth Ann Radley; parents: Stephen & Sarah; Woodford Bridge; Blacksmith
03 Sep 1820 - Charlotte Ann Radley; parents: Stephen & Sarah; Woodford Bridge; Blacksmith
30 Jun 1822 - Stephen Radley; parents: Stephen & Sarah; Woodford Bridge; Blacksmith
19 Oct 1823 - George Radley; parents: Stephen & Sarah; Woodford Bridge; Blacksmith
29 Oct 1826 - Esther? Radley; parents: Stephen & Sarah; Woodford Bridge; Blacksmith
03 Aug 1828 - Jemima Radley; parents: Stephen & Sarah; Woodford Bridge; Blacksmith
20 Dec 1829 - James Radley; parents: Stephen & Sarah; Woodford Bridge; Blacksmith
26 May 1833 - Thomas Radley; parents: Stephen & Sarah; Woodford Bridge; Blacksmith

Burials - St Mary the Virgin, Woodford
24 Dec 1834 - Stephen Radley; age 39; Woodford Bridge