gypsy familys

[amour]

hi im looking up for a friend , can anyone tell me where l can find information on gypsyies, he says they were from Merthya ,around 1881 his name was Tom (Thomas?) Lee he thinks he was married to Lidie? im looking for cencus information, any help??
thank you
Alison

[Arranroots]

I found this...

RG11/5299   36   27

WILLIAMS Samuel H M 50 - basket maker - Sropshire (sic)
WILLIAMS Mary W M 5- ditto wife - Stafordshire
LEE Selina dau M 25 - ditto wife - breconshire
LEE Thomas son in law M 22 - ditto - Carmarthenshire
WILLIAMS Elaphew dau U 19 - Glamorgan
WILLIAMS Lynavly dau 15 - ditto
EVANS Selina gdau 8 - Montgomeryshire
LEE John gson 7 - Glamorgan
LEE Elizabeth gdau 3 - Carmarthenshire
LEE William gson 1 - Glamorgan

Address: MaesHawr & Rhydyrhelig Roads in a Tent, Llantwit Vardre, Glamorgan

I wonder if this is them?

kind regards, Arranroots 

[Arranroots]

I was having my doubts, but then I found this:

RG13/5108   122  45

LEE Thomas H M 40 - gypsy basket maker - Pembrey, Carmarthenshire
LEE Lydia W M 17 - Newtown Montgomeryshire
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BOSWELL Achia H M 40 - gypsy basket maker - Nelson, Pembrike
BOSWELL Sarah W M 26 - Caersws Merionethshire
BOSWELL Wester son 7 - ditto
BOSWELL Jaser son 4 - ditto

Address: No abode, Bettws, Carmarthenshire

Could be the same man??

A 

[amour]

thank you aaron ill pass it on to him, hopefully he can find out if there is a link
Regards
Alison

[Arranroots]

Please let me know - I enjoyed doing it anyway, but it would be nice to know the outcome!

A 

[amour]

ok Arron ill let you know, dont suppose you can see if theres any round Swansea/Cardiff area 
looking for a POORER LEE and SILAS/SILUS? LEE or any that are in the area, lot to ask l know
Thanks
Alison

PS there should be some PRICE gypsies

[Arranroots]

Can you give me an idea of which census please?  Is it still 1881?

Thanks 

[Arranroots]

No Poorer or Silas on any census.

Making judgements about LEE families on the basis of their accomodation (!)

There is a Sarah LEE & daughter at Gipsy Tent, Penyard, Dyffryn Clydach, Glamorgan in 1881.  she was from Norfolk

Next door are the WILLIAMS family Samson & Gavelina and their children.  Both families are basket makers.

Will have a look for PRICE families in unusual accomodation, but this is just a value judgement on my part!

A 

[Arranroots]

Bearing in mind that "settled" families often had glamorous addresses like "number 8 hut"!!

There is a John PRICE & family, including PRUDOCK in-laws living Fairwood Common in tent, Llanrhidian Higher which is on the Gower.  He is a grinder and his s-i-l a sweep.

No others living in tents or similar.

I hesitate to select families on the basis of their occupation as this is not necessarily a reflection of their lifestyle or origins.

Hope this helps,

Arranroots