Help finding a father’s name.

[BridgetM]

My grandfather, Patrick Flynn, was born 23 August 1892 in Liverpool. On his birth certificate his father is Andrew Flynn, his mother Alice Ann née Taylor. There were at least 5 other children born to Andrew and Alice Ann—Andrew 1888, Joseph 1890, Peter 1895, John 1896, and Michael 1901—all with the same mother’s maiden name on their birth certificates. I’ve found RC christening records for some of the boys.
But, I’ve been unable to find a marriage between Andrew and Alice Ann, though I’ve searched a number of sites, and even searched just using first names. I’m beginning to think the couple never married. (In the 1881 census Andrew was “married” to a woman named Sarah who was born in Scotland. I’ve been unable to find a record of this marriage also.)
Without a marriage, how can I find out Alice Ann’s father’s name? According to the censuses (1891 and 1901) she was born about 1864 in Liverpool.
Thanks!
Bridget

[avm228]

Have you looked for an Alice Ann Taylor of the right age/birthplace in the 1871 & 1881 censuses?

[BridgetM]

I have. And I’ve found one who looked likely, and ordered her birth certificate. It could be my Alice Ann, and probably is, but how can I be sure?

[Ladyhawk]

Do you think any of the children could have been named after her father?

Was Andrew married previously?

Have you found Andrew on 1881 census?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
3, Gadsby Street Eves Terrace, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire
Andrew   Flynn   Head   Married   1844   Dealer In Earthenware Liverpool, Lancashire
Alice A   Flynn   Wife   Married   1864   -   Liverpool, Lancashire
Andrew   Flynn   Son   1889 Bootle, Lancashire
Joseph   Flynn   Son   1891 Liverpool, Lancashire
Patrick   Flynn   Son   1893   Liverpool, Lancashire
John   Flynn           Son   1897 Liverpool, Lancashire

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Haigh Street, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire
Andrew   Flynn   Head   Married   1844   Earthenware Dealer   Liverpool, Lancashire
Alice   Flynn   Wife   Married            1864 Liverpool, Lancashire
Andrew   Flynn   Son 1889   Bootle, Lancashire
Joseph   Flynn   Son 1891   Liverpool, Lancashire

[BridgetM]

I’ve found Andrew in 1881. He’s living with Sarah, who is supposedly his wife (though I’ve found no record for this marriage either). She was apparently born in Scotland.

[Ladyhawk]

Was he married to Sarah?

1881c
13, Rockbrook Street, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
Andrew   Flynn   Head   Married   1842   Earthenware Dealer   Liverpool, Lancashire
Sarah   Flynn   Wife   Married   1851   -   Scotland

[BridgetM]

He was married to Sarah in 1881, but there appears to be no record of the marriage.

[Ladyhawk]

Could this be him 1871?

Crosshall Street, Great, Liverpool, Lancashire
Andrew   Flynn   Boarder   1843 L’pool Occ Hawker

Edit to add is this Andrew with his family 1851

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5Q-59P

Andrew Flinn   Head   Male   40   Ireland
Catherine Flinn   Wife   Female   38   Ireland
William Flinn   Son   Male   16   Ireland
Mary Flinn   Daughter   Female   13   Liverpool,
Jane Flinn   Daughter   Female   11   Liverpool,
Andrew Flinn   Son   Male   9   Liverpool,
Catherine Flinn   Daughter   Female   7   Liverpool,
Joseph Flinn   Son   Male   5   Liverpool,

[Ladyhawk]

I’ve been unable to find a marriage between Andrew and Alice Ann, though I’ve searched a number of sites, and even searched just using first names. I’m beginning to think the couple never married.

(In the 1881 census Andrew was “married” to a woman named Sarah who was born in Scotland. I’ve been unable to find a record of this marriage also.)

Could they have married in Scotland?

FLYNN
ANDREW
CARROLL
SARAH
1870
644/4 208
Calton (Glasgow)

From family search https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTYW-QVH
Andrew Flynn
Sarah Carroll
27 Jun 1870 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Mary Flynn
15 Dec 1870 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Andrew Flynn
Sarah Carroll
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQWC-5ZR

Andrew Flinn
10 Jun 1869 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Andrew Flinn
Sarah Carroll
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ5Y-X9P