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Evan(s) of St Brides-super-Ely
« on: Wednesday 17 June 20 06:29 BST (UK) »
I'm pretty certain the 1851 household of Richard and Catherine Evan(s) below contains my ancestors and 2 of their children.

Glamorgan 1851 -- Class: HO107; Piece: 2456; Folio: 168; Page: 3

Residence:  Pleasant Hill
Richard Evans    67, born Bridgewater, Somerset
Catherine Evan    63, born Llantrisant, Glamorgan
William Evan    30, born St Brides-s-Ely
Richard Evan    25, born St Brides-s-Ely [possibly died 1864, bur. St Brides-s-Ely]

John Evans, my ancestor, is not listed.  He was already away from home -- married in 1855 in Radyr.

Richard and Catherine Evan(s) were married at St Brides-s-Ely Parish Church in 1814.  He was "of St Fagans"; she was of St Brides-s-Ely.  They are both buried in the St Brides-s-Ely Church Yard.

In 1861, the couple were living alone in the St Brides-s-Ely village.  Richard said he was born at St Fagans, Glam; Catherine at Llanblethian, Glam.

I have not located Richard and Catherine Evan(s) in 1841.

I've even gone so far as to search for people who listed their birth places as St Brides-s-Ely in 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901, and 1911 Censuses, hoping to find my Evanses.

The St Brides-s-Ely Parish Registers show two likely additional children, though my John and the William born about 1821 are not in the Parish Registers for the village:

Name: Mary Evan
baptised 30 Aug 1818

Name: Evan Evan
baptised 13 Apr 1823

I've been to the village of St Brides-s-Ely a few times and done a location study, hoping to trace these folks, especially finding descendants of William and Richard (and any other children).  The elderly individuals I met on my trips to seemed to believe all the Evan(s) residents of the village in their lifetimes were somehow connected.  Most prominent in everyone's mind seemed to be former Evans residents of the house named Ty Coch.

Everyone knows Evan(s) is difficult to trace, especially when you're working from the U. S. instead of South Wales.

If anyone else is searching for my Evanses or has tips, I'd be grateful for comments.

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Re: Evan(s) of St Brides-super-Ely
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 13:58 BST (UK) »
ages of adults in 1841 were meant to be rounded down so

Village, St Brides super Ely HO107/1417/4 folio 5 pg 3
Richd Evan 50 ag lab
Catherine 50
William 15
Evan 15 shoe m ap
John 10
all born in county

witnesses to the marriage were Edward Williams & Richard Evans, the only one who signed was Edward.

Possible burial for Evan aged 21 in St Brides 9 Oct 1844
Burials  in St Brides
Catherine aged 77 11 March 1864
Richard aged 82 21 July 1865
address St Brides Village
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Evan(s) of St Brides-super-Ely
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 June 20 19:59 BST (UK) »
possible baptism for Catherine Evan in Llantrisant 3 May 1787 daughter of Evan & Mary -from FreeReg
 
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Evan(s) of St Brides-super-Ely
« Reply #3 on: Monday 22 June 20 22:20 BST (UK) »
ages of adults in 1841 were meant to be rounded down so

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You are always so helpful!  Thank you for the leads...


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Re: Evan(s) of St Brides-super-Ely
« Reply #4 on: Monday 22 June 20 23:06 BST (UK) »
Following on the clues from above responses, I found a possible family of interest in Radyr in 1871:

 Members:    
Name    Age
Wm Evans    48
Anne Evans    46
May Evans    19
Phillip Evans    15
Eliza Evans    13
William Evans    12
Richard Evans    9
Catherine Evans    6
Jane Evans    3
Evan Evans    6 Months

Now I am attempting to trace this family group forward into the 20th Century.

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1881, possibly this family is in Malpas, with simply "Glamorganshire" listed as the birthplaces.

1891, possibly the same family with St Brides-super-Ely shortened to St. Brides, is living in Cwmbran.

Two other William Evanses, one born in Newport and one in Fishguard or Newquay, seem to be of similar age and living nearby the William born at "St Brides." 


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Re: Evan(s) of St Brides-super-Ely
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 June 20 13:25 BST (UK) »
looks like a distinct possibility. Working from the birth regs of some of the children, mother's maiden name is Stephens. So marriage is
William Evans june qtr 1851 Cardiff vol 11a pg 641 with Ann Stephens the only other name on the page. Marriage doesn't seem to be in the parish records online, so getting a copy of the cert would confirm names of fathers & their occupations.

Likely 1851 census for Ann in St Georges as a dairy maid HO107/2456 folio 158 pg 9

Likely baptism 21 Nov 1824 St Andrews Majorfor Ann Stephen dau of Philip, labourer, & Elizabeth of Eastbrook.

1841 census Eastbrook HO107/1417/1 folio 5 pg 8
Phillip Stephen 45 ag lab (1851 shows him as a molecatcher)
Elizabeth 45
Mary 11
Edward 9
all born in county

Possible in Eastbrook in household of William Thomas for Ann Stephen age rounded up to 20 HO107/1417/1 folio 8 pg 14

map showing how close Eastbrook is to Dinas Powis which Ann gives as her place of birth in later census entries
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pmx/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb