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Helen or Hellen Dun or dunn
« on: Monday 29 June 20 06:42 BST (UK) »
In 1819 in Kilmaronock, Dunbartonshire my gg grandfather John Edmond married Helen Dunn.
I have been unable to find out birth and death details any where.
I know she was buried in Drymen (Stirlingshire) church yard. I saw the headstone many years ago and noted the spelling of Dun with one 'n'.
Any suggestions as to where I should go would be welcome.
Buchanan, Aitken, Fleming, Guthrie, Muirhead, Edmond. Dumbartonshire, Stirlingshire, Ayrshire

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Re: Helen or Hellen Dun or dunn
« Reply #1 on: Monday 29 June 20 09:13 BST (UK) »
When did she die?
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Re: Helen or Hellen Dun or dunn
« Reply #2 on: Monday 29 June 20 09:19 BST (UK) »
I don't know,  the photo I took has been mislaid  and I can't find any record of it.
Buchanan, Aitken, Fleming, Guthrie, Muirhead, Edmond. Dumbartonshire, Stirlingshire, Ayrshire

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Re: Helen or Hellen Dun or dunn
« Reply #3 on: Monday 29 June 20 09:39 BST (UK) »
The critical point is whether she died before 1855, when statutory civil registration started in Scotland.

There are various web sites with headstone inscriptions including
http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/
https://www.gravestonephotos.com/
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2463387/drymen-parish-churchyard
https://billiongraves.com/cemetery/Drymen-Church-of-Scotland/173162

Do you know the names of her children and where they were born?

There is a family in Croftamie, parish of Kilmaronock in 1841 comprising John Edmond, 45; William, 15; John, 13; James, 10; Robert, 5; Margaret, 20; Agnes, 18; Hellen, 16; Elisabeth,8.

In 1851, at the same address, are John, 60, born Killearn; Margaret, 31; William, 28; John, 24; James, 21; Elizabeth, 18; Robert, 15, all born Kilmaronock.

So it would appear that Helen must have died before the 1841 census. This makes it difficult to find her with certainty, having no idea how old she was or where she was born.

John Edmond, aged 80, died in Kilmaronock in 1870.

If you have not already done so, go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk where you will be able to see originals of almost all surviving records of births, baptisms before 1855, proclamations of banns before 1855, marriages after 1855, deaths after 1855 and census 1841-1911.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.


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Re: Helen or Hellen Dun or dunn
« Reply #4 on: Monday 29 June 20 10:53 BST (UK) »
Forfarian,
Thankyou very much for your super comprehensive response. I will follow up all your leads tomorrow, I am in Australia which makes the turnaround timing a little difficult.
Thank you again
Ron
Buchanan, Aitken, Fleming, Guthrie, Muirhead, Edmond. Dumbartonshire, Stirlingshire, Ayrshire

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Re: Helen or Hellen Dun or dunn
« Reply #5 on: Monday 29 June 20 13:34 BST (UK) »
Possible;
HELEN Dunn
Christened 17 Mar 1799, Kirkintilloch
Birth 7 Mar 1799
Parents William DUNN and Helen HARVIE
(Familysearch,Org)

Trish :)

EDIT;
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188456024
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: Helen or Hellen Dun or dunn
« Reply #6 on: Monday 29 June 20 13:39 BST (UK) »
Ignore that christening as the had another Hellen 1805. Which would only make her 14 in 1819 ???
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: Helen or Hellen Dun or dunn
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 30 June 20 07:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you Trish. I know it is out of the court in today's social mores but would it be legal in 1819 for a 29 year old man to marry a 14 year old girl?
Regards,
Ron
Buchanan, Aitken, Fleming, Guthrie, Muirhead, Edmond. Dumbartonshire, Stirlingshire, Ayrshire

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Re: Helen or Hellen Dun or dunn
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 30 June 20 09:44 BST (UK) »
It would be legal, but almost unheard of.
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