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Thomas Simmonds / Semmence, born 1830s
« on: Sunday 05 July 20 18:19 BST (UK) »
Hi, wondering if anyone can help with a puzzle  :-\ This follows, but precedes, a recent topic on the London / Middlesex board looking for help finding the Ďauntí of the Walter Simmonds below, sent to Canada as a home child in 1892. https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=833784.0

Iím looking for the baptism (and parents) of Thomas Simmonds, born between 1832 and 1840 in Norfolk according to later censuses and workhouse admissions.

He married Mary Ann Ball at St Clement Danes (Middlesex) on 28 May 1860, with his father named as William a tailor. He and Mary Ann had children Ann (1863-?, Strand), John (1865-1865, Strand), James (1867-1941), Emma (1871-1882), Walter (1874-1959) and possibly an unnamed male child born and died in March quarter 1886, along with his mother Mary Ann. Various spellings of the surname, but mainly Simmonds, otherwise Simmons, Symons or Simons. No certificates purchased yet because of the coronavirus situation, but the childrenís births are on the GRO, and the baptisms of the named children plus Thomas and Mary Annís marriages are images on Ancestry.

Not yet found Thomas in the census prior to 1871 when he is said to be aged 38 (1833), porter, born Norfolk. In 1881 he is aged 46 (1835, born Norfolk, porter). In 1891 he is a patient at the St Marylebone infirmary, widowed, aged 51 (1840, Norfolk, porter). In 1901 he appears to be in the Kensington workhouse, aged 67 (1834, widowed, Norfolk, though a market gardener  ???). Possible death in March quarter 1903 in Kensington, aged 70.

A more vague search for Thomas in 1851 offered an interesting entry at St Clement Danes, Thomas Semmence, aged 15 (1836), born Hingham, Norfolk, with parents William Semmence, aged 47 (1804, born Hingham, Norfolk, a tailor) and Sarah aged 46 (1805, Millwall, London). With them are 2 additional children Mary A aged 11 (1840, St James), and William aged 4 (1847, St Clement Danes). Both these children are found on the GRO with mother Lovick.... Mary Ann Simons and William Semmence.

I have found a baptism for the youngest child William, at St Martin in the Fields, Westminster, on 23 March 1848 (born 6 May 1847), parents William and Sarah Semmence, William a tailor. But i can only find a marriage for a William Semmence and Harriet Lovick, in Hingham, Norfolk on 13 October 1831. This also produces a baptism at Hingham on 2 July 1832 (born 25 June 1832) for a Thomas, parents William and Harriet Semmence. William is a taylor. I canít find a death of Harriet Semmence, or a marriage for William to a Sarah Lovick.

Any help unravelling this, or comments on the possibility of William Semmence and William Simmonds being the same man, most welcome. Thanks for reading.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Thomas Simmonds / Semmence, born 1830s
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 July 20 12:21 BST (UK) »
Think iíve sorted it out myself now thanks 😀
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Thomas Simmonds / Semmence, born 1830s
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 01:06 BST (UK) »
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If it helps with the Semmence family from Hingham- William Semmence was a witness to the marriage of Mary Semmence to William Wyatt, he was of Whinburgh on 11 July 1825 at Hingham
the other witness was Elizabeth Semmence.

The witnesses to the marriage of William to Harriet Lovick were William Harvey and Mary Ann Harvey


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Re: Thomas Simmonds / Semmence, born 1830s
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 July 20 07:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks amondg, not found Mary, or therefore her marriage. Will add these, and the witnesses for William and Harriet, to my tree, thanks.

Looks like Harriet died after the birth of William on 6 May 1847, though I canít find a death record, as William married Sarah Drayton Snow on 6 Sep 1847 in St Giles. William was described as widowed, and a tailor. Son William was baptised on 23 March 1848 as the son of William and Sarah.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....