Author Topic: Help needed with a few words from this 1640s will  (Read 239 times)

Offline PaulStaffs

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 747
    • View Profile
Help needed with a few words from this 1640s will
« on: Tuesday 07 July 20 14:10 BST (UK) »
I can read most of this, just need a few words here and there (especially in the second bit) if anyone can help?

Many thanks

Paul

PS Images are in wrong order sorry :(


Part 1:
First I give to my sonne Thomas the house at the Lower Forge
[to be taken?] and set up in Twist Leasowe lying in Brewood
lately bought of John Bill to the use of the aforesaid Thomas,
and I give to my daughter Anne all ye lands I have in
Coven, Twist Medowe excepted & I give [her?] all ye B[ ]
with all grants & [specialties?] thereto belonging and one [Foley?] to enjoy
his lease of the furnis & [she?] is to enter upon these landes at
the [time?] of two yeares next coming after the date hereof
and for ye [time?] [ ] to pay to my daughter Elnor

Part 2:
one bed [ ] forth, and to my sonne Edward twenty
shillings and [ ] to his [mothers?] [ ] then [ ]
for the paying of my debts the lease and the [ ][ ]of W[ ]all
mill [ ] rest of my goods both [ ] & [ ] except
before [except?] I doe ordayne my wife and my daughter Anne




Offline horselydown86

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,437
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed with a few words from this 1640s will
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 July 20 14:46 BST (UK) »
The second clip:

...one bed yt is forth...     [yt = that]

The probable meaning is:  ...the fourth best bed...


...and be left to his Mothers disposivall* then I leave...

*  This word is tricky.  It has possibly been altered and certainly contracted.

It might also be:  ...Mothers disposinaft(er) then...

However, I'm not confident with either suggestion.  Someone else might have another possibility.


...the lease & the fee simple of whitn(all)

mill w(i)th the rest of my goodes both Cattle and cattles except

before excepted...

Offline horselydown86

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,437
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed with a few words from this 1640s will
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 07 July 20 14:59 BST (UK) »
First clip:

...all ye Buildinges...

...the End of two yeares..........hereof

and fro(m) yt time forward to pay........daughter Elner...

Offline horselydown86

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,437
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed with a few words from this 1640s will
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 July 20 15:04 BST (UK) »
Having now seen the first clip, in the second clip it is:

...Mothers disposing?? then...

It's not clear what the two? letters stuck to the end of disposing are, nor whether they are meant to be there.


Offline PaulStaffs

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 747
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed with a few words from this 1640s will
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 July 20 16:14 BST (UK) »
Having now seen the first clip, in the second clip it is:

...Mothers disposing?? then...

It's not clear what the two? letters stuck to the end of disposing are, nor whether they are meant to be there.

Thank you very much that's a great help.

Maybe the bed forth means the bed beyond (or before) the one above the parlour?

I read cattle and cattles as such but couldn't think of the meaning - still can't! I wonder if he was thinking goods and chattels and cattle....?

Thanks again,

Paul



Offline horselydown86

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,437
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed with a few words from this 1640s will
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 July 20 17:49 BST (UK) »
I read cattle and cattles as such but couldn't think of the meaning - still can't! I wonder if he was thinking goods and chattels and cattle....?

My sense is that the Cattle are his animals and the cattles are the chattells (and goods).