Henry C. Hamblin

[jonw65]

Nineteenth December 1868
13 Great Ormond Yard

Name
Henry Hambler

Boy

Name/Surname Father
Henry Hambler

Name (maiden surname) Mother
Maria Beale

Rank/Profession Father
Wine Merchant

I believe that Maria acquired the Hamblen name from the man on this birth registration

[jonw65]

I think he is in Pancras in 1871
No Jacob, he is just Henry Hamlin
Married, Age 43, Merchant, born Falmouth

Visiting Walter D Whitty, Barrister at law, and his wife Catherine. Both 33, born Liverpool.
Where is his wife Julia?

[jonw65]

Maria Beale was Henry Hamblen (Beale)'s mother.
The other children will be the ones you previously named, all Beale's?
So if Maria married a Samuel Collins, how was it possible that she kept the names of those 3 children as Hamblen's?

Maria Beale probably had three children by 1874. It looks as though they may all have been by Mr. Hamblen (Henry the wine merchant, who possibly was Jacob Henry)
Later she married as Maria Hamblen to Samuel Collins and had more children. But their birth registrations seem to have Hamblen rather than Beale as mother's maiden name. For whatever reason, but it appears she didn't give Beale as her maiden surname, or say she was late Hamblen, formerly Beale.

Maria might have lived with Mr Hamblen for a time. Anyway, she used the Hamblen name when she married Samuel Collins. It would then make sense if Mr. Hamblen died in 1874.

Maria and Mr Hamblen may not have married because he was already married (if he was Jacob Henry), because there was a tendency in her family not to go through a formal ceremony, but just live together (possibily like her parents), or because she and Mr Hamblen were from vastly different social backgrounds.

It's all theoretical at the moment. Manchester Street may be another link.

[johnP-bedford]

Don't know if this has been mentioned before? as quite a lot of detail has been posted

In 1881 census at 12 Gt Ormond Yard Finsbury

Samuel Collins age 32 Coachman
Maria Collins age 31
Henry Collins age 8
Elizabeth age 6
Jessie age 3
William age 2 months
Elmira Beale age 65 widow mother

Is this Henry age 8 (1873) the Henry Hamblin Beale

[jonw65]

Is this Henry age 8 (1873) the Henry Hamblin Beale

I think so. Certainly hope so!

[Calpe 1704]

Ive seen a number of recent posts but as you'll understand i need to go through them all.

I'm trying to get my head around this.
Henry Hamblen (Beale) was born 01 Jun 1872.
His 'wife' was Beatrice Lilian Turner, born 07 Sep 1872.

Henry Hamblen Beale's mother was a Maria Beale.
Maria Beale lived in Manchester Street, Pancras.
Birth date etc., not known yet....

So I'm to understand that Maria Beale possibly had three children by a guy also with a surname Hamblen, and it appears he could have been a wine merchant, called Jacob Henry Hamblen?

So with three children Maria Beale, used the surname of the assumed father Hamblen.
Might there have been a possible marriage to Mr J. H. Hamblen?

We then learn that Maria Hamblen (nee Beale not used) married a Samuel Collins.
Date/Year known?

More children came along from the marriage of Maria Hamblen & Samuel Collins.

But as jonw65 informs us that these children had their "births registrations seem to have Hamblen rather than Beale as mother's maiden name. For whatever reason, but it appears she didn't give Beale as her maiden surname, or say she was late Hamblen, formerly Beale".

Despite what jonw65 says "It's all theoretical at the moment", what are the chances that these might have been the cases?

[heywood]

Deleted - will post later

[jonw65]

The possible third child. Her BC might help?

June 1874 Pancras 1b 60
Beale, Maria Hamblen
Hamblen, Maria Hamblen

new GRO index will only have one indexing, under the father's name
June 1874 Pancras 1b 60
Hamblen, Maria Hamblen
mother's maiden surname Beale

Sadly young Maria seems to have died in Holborn district the following year.

[heywood]

Jon,
Do you have any living children who were born before 1871? I can’t find any in records but thought you mentioned the possibilty.
Maria isn’t with her parents in 1871.
Has she been found in 1871?

Calpe, if you look over the thread, you can find references to Maria’s birth and her marriage to Samuel Collins.