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Patrick Killian of Westmeath and New York
« on: Friday 24 July 20 18:28 BST (UK) »
Hi
Just checking to see if anyone might have a Patrick Killian in their tree...he was born in WestMeath (Mullingar) on June 4, 1839 (christening date actually) to James Killian and Mary Kieran.  Their daughter, Patrick's sister was Bridget Killian (my gggrandmother - 1826).  Her obituary in 1898 mentions that Patrick is still living in New York...my trail goes dark there.  I don't have enough information on him to determine which Patrick Killian he is in NY!  So just curious if this Patrick may be familiar to anyone?  Other siblings I could find are: Catherine - 1828, Mary - 1831, James - 1836.

Thank you,
Laura

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Re: Patrick Killian of Westmeath and New York
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 July 20 23:03 BST (UK) »
You can eliminate this man, Patrick Killean of Summer Hill, Cayuga County, NY. His obituary says his parents were Patrick Killean and Mary Brennan.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/142134855

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You can probably eliminate these two men, if their 1900 census information about their year of immigration is correct.

Patrick H Killian, of Brooklyn NY. In 1900 he said he was born in 1844 and arrived in 1850.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSFL-CDJ

Patrick Killian of Fort Edward Township, Washington County, NY. In 1900 he said he was born in Feb 1835 and arrived in 1849.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSGB-FTN

Both arrived as children, so they likely were accompanied by a parent or two. Your information seems to say that your James Killian and Mary Kieran stayed in Ireland.

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Did Patrick have children in Ireland? If not, you can eliminate Patrick Killian on the 1900 census of Manhattan, NYC. His children Margaret (26), Patrick (24), Annie (22), Rose (20), and John (17) were all born in Ireland. There was a Rose Fox, 82, born in Ireland, in the household also, in case that rings a bell.

[it was indexed as Cullean]
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSV1-W8Y

It looks like that man ended up in the almshouse by 1908, where his records say his parents were Patrick Killian and Margaret Hussey, which would eliminate him outright.

[from a record on ancestry]

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Re: Patrick Killian of Westmeath and New York
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 July 20 23:46 BST (UK) »
Did Bridget's obituary say "New York City" by any chance, or just "New York"?

Was there any story of Patrick having gone out as a servant? There are a couple Patrick Killians in NY state that look like they were working as farm laborers or servants in there teens, in households of people born in the US.

And did any of his siblings come to the US? If so, where?

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Re: Patrick Killian of Westmeath and New York
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 July 20 01:22 BST (UK) »
Hi

Thank you so much for this.  The obit just said New York.  His sister, Bridget Killian Scott came to the US, Hartford, CT sometime before 1852.  At the time of her obit, it only mentions surviving siblings as James in Ireland and Patrick in NY.

I do not believe their parents left Ireland although I'm still working on them.

According to the obit, Bridget married James Scott in Ireland and left soon after their marriage for the US.  I found Bridget and siblings in the Mullingar Catholic parish records but have not been able to find the marriage to James. 

Laura


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Re: Patrick Killian of Westmeath and New York
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 July 20 23:24 BST (UK) »
1. You could try posting on the US board for Patrick. Someone might be able to find a news item or obituary. If you do, include a link back to this thread, so they don't waste time duplicating what you already know.
2. You could ask if anyone here could find an obit for James Killian dying after 1898. It might give a better location for Patrick. But did James stay in Westmeath? I didn't find a good match for him on the Irish records after 1898, but maybe the name was spelled differently.

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Do you have the 1860 - 1880 censuses for James Scott in Hartford? Are these them?
1860: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHR7-VBN
1870: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN74-N8T
1880: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFCF-BC3

If that is James, then he was at 9 Green Street by 1857, in the city directory. And he is probably the man at 18 College St from 1852 to 1857, since that listing for a James Scott disappears when the one on Green Street shows up. He wasn't listed in 1851 and I didn't look any earlier.

There was a Patrick Killon on Spruce Street, Hartford, in 1865 and 1868, but there is no way to know if that is Bridget's brother. If he had been boarding at the Scotts' you would know it was the right one.

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Edited to add:
If you have all that, don't worry about it. It's easier to just post it than to ask and go back and forth with the replies. Happy hunting, Patrick isn't going to be easy to find. Too many Killians and too many ways to misspell the name on the records.

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Re: Patrick Killian of Westmeath and New York
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 July 20 01:49 BST (UK) »
Thank you...I had the census but not the directories.  This is my James and Bridget.  Also, great advice on the questions to ask re: Patrick and James!!

Laura

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Re: Patrick Killian of Westmeath and New York
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 July 20 17:22 BST (UK) »
There aren't too many Killians or similar names in Griffith's Valuation of Westmeath (1859).
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01prb/

I found a James K but he was only renting land, not a house. But there was a Mary Killian renting land, buildings, and a house in Dysart Townland. The land that James K was renting was in Rathnamuddagh Townland, which is not far away. So maybe James, the father, died and Mary was the tenant on the lease. If so, maybe the James that was only renting land was her son James, and he was living at home.
IF that is your family, then James would the one mentioned in Bridget's obituary.

The problem is that Dysart Townland is probably in a different parish, Dysart Parish, not Mullingar. I don't know for sure, someone more familiar with Westmeath would know.

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I found another daughter in the family, Julia, baptized 29 April 1830, in Mullingar. The index gives the mother's maiden name as Keennan, but the image says Kiernan.
And you have Bridget, baptized 30 August 1826, in Mullingar?
I didn't look for others, there must be some in the mid 1830s.

A tree at ancestry says that James Scott was born in 1822 in Dysart, Westmeath, and that their first daughter, Mary Ann, was born there also, in June 1849. But there is no source for the information. Sometimes facts like that get passed down in the family, but sometimes on ancestry they come from misinformation. But Dysart would make sense so far, anyway. Here is the link in case you have a subscription:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/32424843/person/390147593868/facts

I've got something on the US end of things, but will post that with your thread over there.

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Re: Patrick Killian of Westmeath and New York
« Reply #7 on: Monday 27 July 20 18:26 BST (UK) »

The problem is that Dysart Townland is probably in a different parish, Dysart Parish, not Mullingar. I don't know for sure, someone more familiar with Westmeath would know.


The townlands of Dysart and Rathnamuddagh (which border eachother) in Dysart C.P. are only 5-6 miles from the centre of Mullingar town. Not a great distance to travel in those days.

https://www.townlands.ie/westmeath/moyashel-and-maheradermon/dysart/dysart/dysart/
https://www.townlands.ie/westmeath/moyashel-and-maheradermon/dysart/dysart/rathnamuddagh/

https://tinyurl.com/y39w9edx

Mullingar C.P. borders right up to Dysart C.P.
https://www.townlands.ie/westmeath/mullingar/

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Re: Patrick Killian of Westmeath and New York
« Reply #8 on: Monday 27 July 20 19:34 BST (UK) »
This is definitely something to investigate...thank you.  I had found additional children of Mary and James Killian but hadn't found Julia so that was new!  The tree on ancestry could be mine.  I was going on Mary, the oldest of Bridget and James Scott being born in Ireland based on a baptismal record I found...I'm rethinking and reworking that now because of conflicting information in US census data that has Mary born in the US and Bridget's obit that states they married and immediately emigrated to the US...

Anyway, thank you for this...I'll dig further!

Laura