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Offline Glen in Tinsel Kni

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Are Robert and Robin the same person?
« on: Sunday 09 August 20 05:15 BST (UK) »
Wragby Baptism 10th April 1832; James Chambers s/o of Robert and Ann

1841 Census Wragby

Robert   Chambers   Male   40   1801   Lincolnshire, England
Ann   Chambers   Female   35   1806   Lincolnshire, England
John   Chambers   Male   15   1826   Lincolnshire, England
Thomas   Chambers   Male   13   1828   Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth   Chambers   Female   11   1830   Lincolnshire, England
James   Chambers   Male   9   1832   Lincolnshire, England
Henry   Chambers   Male   5   1836   Lincolnshire, England
George   Chambers   Male   3   1838   Lincolnshire, England

1851 Census Wragby

Robert   Chambers   Head   Married   Male   50   1801   Ag Lab   Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
Ann   Chambers   Wife   Married   Female   46   1805   -   Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth   Chambers   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   21   1830   -   Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
Henry   Chambers   Son   -   Male   14   1837   Scholar   Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
George   Chambers   Son   -   Male   12   1839   Scholar   Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
James   Beet   Nephew   -   Male   9   1842   Scholar   Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England



Wragby Burial 17 Mar 1853 Robin Chambers


12 Aug 1857 Marriage of James Chambers aged 25, to Sarah Silvester. From the original register scan on FindMyPast James' father is Robin Chambers, deceased.

No baptism of Robert Chambers abt 1801 but a marriage in 1823 to Ann Dawson.
Baptism of Robin Chambers 1799, son of Henry and Elizabeth but no marriage, burial or census records.

Could Robert and Robin be the same man?

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Re: Are Robert and Robin the same person?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 August 20 07:43 BST (UK) »
Purchase of the 1853 death certificate may or may not give further information.  :-\
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
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Re: Are Robert and Robin the same person?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 August 20 07:50 BST (UK) »
I'd say it would be a possibility, but you need more evidence to say for definite.

Have you looked for a will for the father Henry to see if he names a Robert or Robin, his wife and grandchildren, which would tally with what you have from the 1841 Census?
Bit of a long shot I know.
Did the Robin Chambers who died in 1853 leave a will? It may give you some clues. Look under Robert as well.
What about other Chambers wills in or near Wragby?
They may be mentioned in the wills of uncles, cousins etc (a maiden aunt is often a good one to find if you can, as they tended to mention nephews, nieces etc).

What about the father of Ann Dawson?
Have you found him and did he leave a will?
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Are Robert and Robin the same person?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 August 20 07:51 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth - born 1830 - marries in 1852 at Wragby - father = Robert (Labourer)
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY


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Re: Are Robert and Robin the same person?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 August 20 08:39 BST (UK) »
On checking deaths on freebmd and the GRO  sites there is no death for a Robin in 1853 recorded in the Horncastle reg district which covers Wragby. There is one for Robert and age is given as 53.

 If the burial is from the register it could be a mistake in the entry.

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Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
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Re: Are Robert and Robin the same person?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 August 20 15:52 BST (UK) »
I think there's a Robert at Langworth. The '41 and '51 I gave are all names found in several generations of my tree but they are pretty common names.

Henry died 1808 and I've found 8 baptisms for children.  Robin is the only one I haven't been able to trace forwards.   I haven't found any probate records for him or the 6 who survived into adulthood.

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Re: Are Robert and Robin the same person?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 August 20 15:59 BST (UK) »
Henry Chambers to Elizabeth Raby marriage in 1794 notes Henry as a widower, I think his first marriage was to Rebecca Noble in 1781.

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Re: Are Robert and Robin the same person?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 August 20 16:05 BST (UK) »
I have a cousin called Robert but he is known as Robin.

On the Chambers children's marriages prior to his death, he is recorded as Robert.

He appears on a number of online trees and is recorded as Robert, Robin or Robert/Robin.

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Re: Are Robert and Robin the same person?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 August 20 22:08 BST (UK) »
Purchase of the 1853 death certificate may or may not give further information.  :-\

If it comes back as 10-15th March period that ties in with the burial record.  I think this one is a coin flip and just one document somewhere is the key.