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George Oram abt 1813
« on: Monday 10 August 20 20:28 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I'm looking for the baptism of George Oram born circa 1813/1814 in Cuckfield or Lindfield (place of birth from census.)

I've looked on freereg.org and there's no George Oram baptised in Cuckfield, and the Genealogist supposedly has Lindfield parish registers but there's nothing coming up when I search for him.

Lots of trees on ancestry suggest his parents were Stephen Oram and Barbara Comber. On George's marriage certificate to Eliza Hill(s), he states that his father is Stephen.

I found Stephen dying in 1830 in Cuckfield, aged 41 and marrying Barbara in 1813. If anyone could help me locate George's actual baptism though, that would be great!

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Re: George Oram abt 1813
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 August 20 07:32 BST (UK) »
Hello annie

I have looked on Sussex Family History Group.Online Baptizums & Burial,members only.

I cant find a Baptizum for George in either Parishes

From the Sussex Marriage Index.

Bolney,West Sussex

14 June 1813
Stephen Oram & Barbara Coomber. BOTP (B)

Witnesses George Oram & Jn Taylor.

No Baptizum here

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Re: George Oram abt 1813
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 August 20 10:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for looking for me.
I don't suppose there are any baptisms of a George Oram to a Stephen around 1813/1814/1815 etc in any neighbouring parishes on the Family History Group?

Interestingly, the death record I have for him states his birth year as 1820.

I should note that there is a baptism for a Barbara Ann Oram in 1815, Ardingly to Stephen and Barbara.


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Re: George Oram abt 1813
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 August 20 11:31 BST (UK) »
There is also the baptism of John Oram an adult son of Stephen and Barbara at Southwick 17th July 1853. May suggest no earlier baptism for him.

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Re: George Oram abt 1813
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 August 20 12:21 BST (UK) »
You may already have the Bapt of STEPHEN Oram 29 Jun 1788, St Cosmas and St Damian, Keymer
Parents GEORGE/ANN
Sibling NANNY 12 Dec 1790

Marriage;
George ORAM/Ann Stevens
01 Apr 1788, St John the Baptist, Clayron
Both of the Parish
Witnesses, Richard GOWER/James GEER

ANNE Oram buried 26 Apr 1844 Keymer age 80, abode Hurst Work house

GEORGE Oram bured 14 Feb 1846 Keymer age 80, abode Cuckfield Union

All above on FreeREG

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Re: George Oram abt 1813
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 August 20 20:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you, I do.

All of this information was given to me by relatives, and everything seems mostly accurate, but I don't want to research the family too much if I can't confirm George is Stephen and Barbara's son.


However, I just relooked at the 1841 census and there is a George Oram living with a Barbara Braysher (Barbara remarried.)

However, it's strange I cannot find George and his wife Eliza together in 1841


The other children here include
Amelia b approx 1820
Eliza c. 1825
Naomi c.1825
Charity c.1830
John c.1833
and Leonard c.1837
and what looks like Orpha? c.1839

Barbara Braysher also has an Ellen Oram b. 1848 in London living with her on the 1851 census

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Re: George Oram abt 1813
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 August 20 10:34 BST (UK) »
Looks to me that Stephen/Barbara bapt only 1 of their children that I can see.
BARBARA    24 Dec 1815 Ardingley   

I can find a Burial of STEPHEN 01 Apr 1819 Cuckfield  age 7 mths, Father Stephen

Looking at 1841 Census I cant ffind Bapt for those Orams.

1851 Leonard is born c 1836 Keymer. (this is on F/S.Org, cant find on Anc.)

Ass as ARAM on Anc.
Cant find him after 1851
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Re: George Oram abt 1813
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 August 20 18:41 BST (UK) »
I found marriages for two of the daughters-

Amelia to Spencer Crouch in 1841, Keymer (seems to have gone to America, cannot find a death for her.)
Naomi to Edward Bates in 1842, Keymer
both list their father as Stephen Oram

I should note that the first 3 children of my George Oram and his wife Eliza were born in Keymer in the 1840s which suggests this could be the right George


George Oram married Eliza Hill in 1840 in Woodmancote (both of them are of the parish.)
Father Stephen, a labourer. Witnesses Michael Harmes and Elizabeth Benfield (of no relation to my knowledge to either George or Eliza.)  from freereg.org


Barbara seems to have married Samuel Brady also in 1840 but in Australia- however I cannot see any details with my membership on findmypast.

I have found an Orpha Crouch living with Amelia and Spencer Crouch- she seems to have married a Thomas Mudge in America, I just haven't found the marriage itself yet.

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Re: George Oram abt 1813
« Reply #8 on: Friday 14 August 20 18:42 BST (UK) »
Looks to me that Stephen/Barbara bapt only 1 of their children that I can see.
BARBARA    24 Dec 1815 Ardingley   

I can find a Burial of STEPHEN 01 Apr 1819 Cuckfield  age 7 mths, Father Stephen

Looking at 1841 Census I cant ffind Bapt for those Orams.

1851 Leonard is born c 1836 Keymer. (this is on F/S.Org, cant find on Anc.)

Ass as ARAM on Anc.
Cant find him after 1851

Thank you for this!