Help to find birth places of John Scott and Ann Jane Shannon

[Leith Lass]

Dear all.
I have a family member John Scott Born about 1838 Ireland and Ann Jane Shannon Born about 1834 Ireland. John's father is George and Ann's father is Samuel. I have a marriage registration place of Drummully in County Fermanagh on 23 December 1859. I also note that there is a registration for the marriage in Clones County Monaghan.
I have been trying for a long time now to find their birth dates and place in Ireland along with any other family. I have tried searching on the fathers also but nothing. I know they had three children in Calderhead in Scotland the first Elizabeth born in 1869, May in 1872 and Charlotte in 1874 all born in Calderhead, Lanarkshire.
They did migrate to Canada and although I am not sure when they moved I know they both died in Ontario in 1906 within days of each other.
On all documents I have the place of birth only states Ireland. I am happy with what I have on Scotland and Canada although I would like to know when they moved to both countries.
The main thing is their births and as I am not familiar with Irish records etc I thought there might be someone who is and can help me.  I look forward to hearing of anything no matter how small. Very much appreciated. Lorna

[Maggsie]

Hi,
This was the only Samuel Shannon listed, you mentioned County Monaghan.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=shannon&firstname=sam*&county=&townland=&parish=&search=Search&sort=year&pageSize=10
This is the map.
https://mapcarta.com/18279808

There wasn't any Scott people listed for County Fermanagh.
BUT,
There is a George Scott in County Monaghan.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=scott&firstname=geo*&county=Monaghan&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Ballybay map.
https://mapcarta.com/18279028
Were they Catholic?

When searching records,  depending on the site use  eg.  sam*   geo* then it picks up various spellings or it may be " a word "  or %

The next place to look if there were Catholic is in this site...it's free. Put the year before the birth and search from there.
https://registers.nli.ie/
this is the actual link....Clones and Fermanagh
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0297

While search, there were 3 couples with the same names, yours, another that stayed in Ireland and another that went to England, all born in the same years.
Maggsie

[Leith Lass]

Great. Thank you Maggsie really appreciate this information and the tips too. Hopefully now I can find out a bit more.
Lorna x

[Sinann]

I have a marriage registration place of Drummully in County Fermanagh on 23 December 1859. I also note that there is a registration for the marriage in Clones County Monaghan.

Where have you got a marriage registration place of Drummully?
I assume it's in the Parish of Clones
The marriage cert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1859/09566/5468628.pdf
Just sign in and prove your not a robot.

[Leith Lass]

Hi
Thank you once again. I was unable to find anything like this. The information I got was from My Heritage.
Name   Ann Jane Shannon & John Scott
Marriage   Dec 23 1859
  Drummully, Ferm, Ireland
Wife   Ann Jane Shannon
Birth   1836
Marital status   Single
Father   Samuel Shannon
Husband   John Scott
Birth   1832
Marital status   Single
Father   George Scott
Age   27
Spouse's Age   23

[Leith Lass]

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116898811/john-scott

This is a link to the gravestone in Canada - What I have found from a lot of documents are the different dates of birth. I think the marriage extract you sent me is the correct family.

[Leith Lass]

Yes it looks like it is in Clones
Drummully is in the Electoral Division of St. Tierney, in Civil Parish of Clones, in the Barony of Dartree, in the County of Monaghan

[Sinann]

Pity the MyHeritage record doesn't say what data set the record is coming from. Drummully isn't mentioned on the Civil cert so it's not the same source.

[Elwyn Soutter]

The 1859 marriage certificate gives John Scott’s townland (address) as Drumshannon. That’s in the parish of Aghabog, near Clones, and is in Co Monaghan. Griffiths Valuation for 1861 lists George Scott in that townland (along with some other Scotts). George’s farm was plot 13 which was a combined total of about 12 acres. It would be easy enough to locate that today if you wish. (It’s still farmland but the farm and outbuildings have gone).

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=&firstname=&offset=20&countyname=&parishname=&unionname=&baronyname=&totalrows=26&PlaceID=1036123&wildcard=

Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church. They married in Clones Presbyterian so that suggests at least she was brought up that denomination.  Unfortunately Clones Presbyterian only has baptism records from 1856 onwards. I am not sure if that’s because it only opened then or whether earlier records have been lost. The only Presbyterian church in the Clones area with records for the 1830s when Ann was born is Stonebridge. They start in 1819. I don’t think they are on-line anywhere but there is a copy in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast.

If John Scott was also Presbyterian then there is a Presbyterian church in Drumshannon. I think it may be called Drumkeen. Possibly his family church.  If so, again it only has baptism records from 1856 though marriages go back to 1845.

There’s a possible death for George Scott registered in Clones in 1869 aged 65. You would need to order the certificate to check it’s the correct man. George Scott is listed in the 1833 tithe applotment records for Drumshannon. Farmers didn’t move around much so that’s likely where John Scott was born.

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
 

There was 1 Scott family still farming in Drumshannon in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Killeevan/Drumshannon/1632021/

Probate of the Will of William Scott late of Drumshannon County Monaghan Farmer who died 25 September 1908 granted at Armagh to Marshall McCaldin Wright Millowner J.P. and Edward McCaldin Merchant.