Edward Parry 1823 -? , dead? run off?, still wandering round?

[Tickettyboo]

Ok its highly unlikely he's still wandering round Liverpool (or anywhere else) but I am running out of options here :-)

Any straws to clutch at would be gratefully accepted!

What I know/ have documented:

1823 Baptism 28 March  Llanferres, Denbighshire parents John , a miller, and Catherine
1841census Llanferres Piece 1405/ Folio 24/ Page 16, age 15, believed hiding under an inkblot on image.
1851 census Llanferres Piece 2504/ Folio 113/ Page: 17, age 28, occ miller’s son
1854 birth of illegitimate son. John Owen BARTLETT, q1 1855, Ruthin Union MMN blank. Have cert. Baptised 7 Jan 1855, Llanferres, (as Barklet) Edward's name originally in register but then crossed out, and replaced with  just Mary Ann's name and she is recorded as a spinster
1856 Marriage 01 Dec,  St Clement, Liverpool to Mary Ann Bartlett, groom's father John a miller
1857 birth child 2 Q2 West Derby 8b 414, Catherine, MMN Bartlett, no baptism found yet, not yet got cert
1860 birth child 3 Q1 West Derby 8b 256, , Edward Henry, MMN Bartlett, baptised 10 Jun  St Clement's church, address 1 Windsor View, father: labourer, not yet got birth cert
1861 census Windsor View, Toxteth Park, Liverpool Piece 2708 / Folio 50/ Page 41age 38, occ: grocer/ provisions dealer.
1863 birth child 4, Mary Elizabeth, Q2 1863  West Derby 8b 497 MMN Bartlett,not yet got cert. Baptised St Peter's, 7th May 1863, address Wavertree Road, father: labourer
1865 birth last child, Sarah, birth cert father Edward, a labourer, address 9 Ryder St
Mum, Mary Ann, nee Bartlett, registered birth. Not yet found baptism Now supplied by lansann, see reply 4,thank you
1868 12 Apr, death last child, Sarah, age 2, address 17 Arrow St., death cert says‘ daughter of Edward Parry, a labourer, deceased’, Mum, Mary Ann, registered death
1871 census Arrow St. Liverpool, Piece 3842/Folio 48/ Page 49 Mary Ann is listed as a widow

Later marriage records for their children give Edward's occupation as iron driller or safe maker

1867 Q2 deaths West Derby 8b 231 age 49 - have the death cert and don't believe its him Address is 36 Robertson St, age 49, occupation blacksmith journeyman, informant Eliza Parry same address - no sign of an Eliza at any stage connected to my Edward Parry. Now definitely discounted, per info from jonw65, replies 11 & 12, thanks
 

[Milliepede]

Have you ruled out the Edward who died in 1862 age 40?

Burial entry 23 Jun 1862 Liverpool. 

Probably have if children born after that were his 

The death you have still could be him unless you can find another EP to fit the bill.
Long shot but as a journeyman he may have been lodging with an Eliza when he died. 

[lancsann]

just for info

Marriage: 29 May 1882 St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Lancashire, England
John Hutchin - full, Labourer, Bachelor, West Derby
Catherine Parry - (X), full, Spinster, West Derby
    Groom's Father: Thomas Hutchin, Deceased, Gardener
    Bride's Father: Edward Parry, Deceased, Safe-maker
    Witness: John Garner; Mary Elizabeth Parry

[Tickettyboo]

Thanks Millipede.
I do have TWO death certs from 1862 both of which are as uncertain as the 1867 one :-) All 3 were registered in the sub district of Toxteth Park (more Edward Parrys in the area than you could shake a stick at).

19 Feb 1862, Edward Parry, aged 41, of 7 St John's Place, Northumberland St., blacksmith journeyman, informant John Parry of 3 court, Anne St. Though they did have a child called John, he would only have been 8 at the time so I'd doubt it was him.
18 June 1862, Edward Parry, aged 43, of 88 Wolfe St, dock labourer, informant Elizabeth Parry, same address.

The child Sarah's death cert is the latest attempt to try to narrow down where and when they may have been.
Her death cert 'indicates' (though we've all seen many fibs/errors on official certs) that he died between her conception c1864 and 1868 when she died. Therefore the two 1862 deaths became more implausible.

The three deaths certs 1862 Q1, 1862 Q2 and 1867 Q2 were the only likely ones I have found so far going on age and area.

Boo

[lancsann]

Sarah's baptism

First name(s)   Sarah
Last name   Parry
Baptism year   1865
Baptism date   25 Oct 1865
Baptism place   Edge Hill, St Catherine
Denomination   Church Of England
Residence   9 Ryder ST
Father's first name(s)   Edward
Father's occupation   Labourer
Mother's first name(s)   Mary Ann

[Tickettyboo]

just for info

Marriage: 29 May 1882 St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Lancashire, England
John Hutchin - full, Labourer, Bachelor, West Derby
Catherine Parry - (X), full, Spinster, West Derby
    Groom's Father: Thomas Hutchin, Deceased, Gardener
    Bride's Father: Edward Parry, Deceased, Safe-maker
    Witness: John Garner; Mary Elizabeth Parry

Thanks lancsann,
 She was one of the children I mentioned who said he was a safe maker on their marriage records.
as did Mary Elizabeth when she married  Edward Dwerryhouse. John said safe maker for his first marriage and iron driller for his second. The other child, Edward, didn't marry as far as I can tell.

Boo

[Tickettyboo]

Sarah's baptism

Thank you! how did I miss that one?- must have been punch drunk by then!

Boo

[djm297]

Liverpool Daily Post 20 June 1867 has an account of  "a man named Edward Parry-a blacksmith" being found  at Afonddu-road, Llyngryn with his throat cut. The probability was that he had attempted to take his own life. It appeared that he had walked from Manchester on Tuesday with very little food and drink. He had been "been without employment for some time".
Edward was commited to gaol for 1 month for vagrancy.

Might be of interest?!

djm297

[Tickettyboo]

Liverpool Daily Post 20 June 1867 has an account of  "a man named Edward Parry-a blacksmith" being found  at Afonddu-road, Llyngryn with his throat cut

djm297

Thank you djm297, I will have a look at that and investigate.

Boo