ancestors Jones / Price 1901 llanelli (possible gypsy links)

[ancestors2021]

hi

i have a great grandfather "Noah Burton Price" 1901 - 1973

he lived in "1 heol daniel" llanelli (spelt llanelly at that time) , 1938 thats in the census

ive found out info for my great grandad , however im having a difficult time finding my great grandmother "Katherine Ann Jones" (maiden name before marrying and becoming price) , born 1905

my grandmother told me that she was born into gypsy family , she said she was one of the "original price (as my grandmother was born to noah and katherine price) from morfa llanelly"

and she told me stories about "granny may" who lived in port talbot

i found out one document but it says she was named "Kathleen Ann Jones" which is strange or "Catherine"


My Great Grandad Someone Added Info For Me Helping Me He Said he was
"Noah Burton Price" Born 1901
Noah Price Mum was "Elizabeth Ann Price - 1865 ?
Noah Price Dad was David Thomas Price - 1865 ?

his sisters were
mary price- 1883
henry price - 1890
emily Price - 1891
Abraham Pprice - 1898
Amos Price - 1905
think there was a few more and im not sure all that info is right

But Would Love Anymore Info On My Great Grandmother Katherine Ann Price (born jones)

can anyone help ?
Much Appreciated

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat

My Great Grandad Someone Added Info For Me Helping Me He Said he was
"Noah Burton Price" Born 1901
Noah Price Mum was "Elizabeth Ann Price - 1865 ?
Noah Price Dad was David Thomas Price - 1865 ?

PRICE, NOAH  BURTON     Mothers maiden surname LEWIS 
GRO Reference: 1901  Dec Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 1074

The family in 1911 - has father as Thomas Price occ Domestic Coachman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7NT-8N8

Marriage of Thomas & Elizabeth Ann

Marriages Mar qtr 1887
LEWIS    Elizabeth Ann   
PRICE    Thomas       
Aberystwith    11b   55

According to the marriage certificate Thomas's father was also Thomas Price, Elizabeth Anns was Abraham Lewis.

[rosie99]

hi

i have a great grandfather "Noah Burton Price" 1901 - 1973

he lived in "1 heol daniel" llanelli (spelt llanelly at that time) , 1938 thats in the census

ive found out info for my great grandad , however im having a difficult time finding my great grandmother "Katherine Ann Jones" (maiden name before marrying and becoming price) , born 1905

my grandmother told me that she was born into gypsy family , she said she was one of the "original price (as my grandmother was born to noah and katherine price) from morfa llanelly"

and she told me stories about "granny may" who lived in port talbot

i found out one document but it says she was named "Kathleen Ann Jones" which is strange or "Catherine"

She married as 'just' Kathleen

Marriage Mar qtr 1924   
Jones,  Kathleen   
Price,  Noah B       
Llanelly reg district    11a   1567   

The marriage certificate should give information on her father, his name and occupation.

The 1939 register does give her with alternative names

[osprey]

1891 shows an older child and a possible relative of Thomas
Stanley St, Llanelly RG12/4493 folio 119 pg 4
Thomas Price head mar 24 copperman b. Montgomeryshire, Newtown
Elizabeth wife 26 milliner b. Cardiganshire, Aberystwith
Mary B dau 4 b. Aberystwith
Henry son 1 b. Llanelly
Esia Price boarder 22 copperman b. Newtown

[osprey]

oldest child, Mary Blodwen, was born 28 March and baptised 18 May 1887 at Holy Trinity, Aberystwyth
daughter of Thomas, ostler, and Elizabeth Anne Price of 42 Moor Street.

[rosie99]

Similar post on same couple/family
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=784311.

[ancestors2021]

Yeah Noahs Mum And Dad were
Thomas Price and Elizabeth Ann Lewis (maiden name)
they had :
Mary Blodwen Price :1887-1973
Henry Price : 1890-1939 (he married a margaretta bowen)
Emily Ann Price : 1891
Arhunda May Price : 1889
Abraham Usher Price : 1898-1977
Fredrick Nelson Price : 1903-1960
Amos Price : 1905
Elizabeth Mary Price : 1907-1922
Ellis William Price : 1893 ? Married (Margaret A Williams)
Sussannah Price :1908
Noah Burton  Price (My Great Grandaddy) - 1901

Noah,s Dad
Thomas Price : 1865 - 1941 (His Siblings Were )
Eliza Price : 1858
David Price : 1852
Margaret Price :1848
Ann Price : 1860
Elizabeth Price : 1858
Mary Price : 1885

Thomas Daddy Was Also
Thomas Price : 1820 -1876 (Breconshire)
Married Catherine Price : 1824

And Thomas Price Dad And Mum was :
David Price : 1776
Catherine Price : 1781

As you can see my list has gone a lot higher thanks to findmypast

But i Always Remember Hearing Of a "Granny May" From Neath Maybe Cadaxton who had 17 children , she brought up my great grandmother Katherine Price , so my grandmother would often drive up with her children (my mum) up to see her in port talbot way she said to me ,

i would love to find out of any living relatives of granny may as they would hold a lot of stories about my great grandmother and the rest of the prices , i may have gotten names and dates but no stories 

[osprey]

I think you need to get the marriage certificate for Noah & Kathleen to find out the name of her father to be sure you have correct family.

If she is the Catherine Anne Price whose death was registered march qtr 1975 at Llanelli, her date of birth is given as 10 June 1905, so her birth should be registered june qtr 1905.
There's no likely birth reg for her in Llanelly. There's one registered at Neath
Catherine Ann Jones june qtr 1905 neath vol 11a pg 1030 mmn Jones

1911 census this Catherine Ann with her grandparents, but their name is Davies which doesn't match the birth reg
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXF-WLY

This Catherine Ann in Resolven but mother's maiden name given as Rees on older sister Gertrude Mary's birth reg
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXF-NHC

Another Catherine Ann, possible birth reg in march qtr 1902 for brother Edward John has mmn Jones
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXF-QRG
Possible marriage Edward Jones dec qtr 1899 Neath vol 11a with Catherine Jones on the same page

1901 census 16 James St, Neath RG13/5058 folio 65 pg 26
Mary Ann Jones head widow 61
Edward son 24 coal miner hewer b. Rhondda
Catherine daughter in law 27
William H grandson 12
Mary Elizabeth dau 8
Evan Jones boarder 20 coal miner hewer
all born Neath except Edward.
Census has 8 years for Mary Elizabeth but possibly it should be 8 months which would be a better fit for 1911 age. (I have a similar thing with my great aunt being noted as 7 years old when it should be 7 months)
At same address in 1911 - so is this Granny May?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXF-Q5R

 

[osprey]

just looking for Mary Ann in 1891 and it looks like she's Catherine's mother, not Edward's. And the ages for Catherine & Mary Ann seem rather fluid.   

1891 16 James Street, Neath RG12/4462 folio 137 pg 16
Mary A Jones wife 47
Catherine dau 21 tin plate worker
William H son 24
Evan H nephew 11
all born Neath

1881 21 James Street RG11/5340 folio 11 pg 69
Mary Ann Jones head widow
Jane dau 19 tin pickler
Catherine dau 17 tin pickler
William H Jones nephew 4 months
all born Neath

Baptisms in Neath parish church 17 Oct 1864 for Jane & Catherine daughters of Thomas, fireman, & Mary Ann  Jones of James St, Neath

William Henry Jones aged 22 of 16 James Street marries 8 July 1911 Gladys Gwendoline Winsor. His father is noted as Edward Jones.